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Epignosis
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So Justin Bieber is better than Dream Theater? Who knew? Not sure I've ever known anyone to shout at the top his lungs unenthusiastically. |
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rogerthat
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Well, I am glad that it's taken just a few such pages of backlash for you to start claiming that the door is swinging the other way because at least my own aim was just to make you confront your hypocrisies and understand how tiresome your agenda is. I am not a TD fan so you are clutching at straws if you think this is about TD fans getting back at DT fans or some such metal keyboard warrior fantasy. All I have done is to point out that it does look very funny when you write a hyperbole-filled negative review for a band that is not DT for reasons that are self evident. Maybe the review was not written with any spiteful intent, but you had already set yourself up for such a backlash. Of course, it seems like you are still just as characteristically obsessed with your own spectrum, your own worldview and far less with that of the other people who make up a discussion forum (ref: the last sentence). DT is not the new classical music nor is prog metal (not that people aren't entitled to dislike whatever IS the new classical music either). There are plenty of bands and artists on this forum that polarize opinions and most people get on with being fans of them without retaliating all the time to opinions about those that they don't like. So stop pretending that just because DT are so amazing or blah blah or that they have sold those millions of copies, everybody is obliged to like them or 'respect them'. I have been on other music forums long enough to know that your backlash against the so called DT hate on PA is way out of proportion; why don't you hang out on metal-archives long enough to read some really nasty reviews and comments about them and a whole lot of other prog metal bands in that case? PA accommodates diverse tastes and viewpoints like few music forums so all you have to do is let go a little bit and learn to get along with people. If that is indeed as difficult for you as you seem to make it sound, pity.
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colorofmoney91
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Sorry, I was just thinking out loud. My paragraph was something that has been mentioned before, so I thought I'd throw it out there for discussion. I'm not actually accusing Geoff of a retaliation rating -- I'm only saying that it's possible. There certainly isn't any hard evidence. I would never straight-up accuse someone of anything based on an assumption, however possible it might be.
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Gerinski
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All this fuss...
While the retaliation element was quite clear in Geoff's review of Part The Second, I did not feel it in Bath, he just trashes the album because it was an unpleasant listening experience for him, and he is surely shocked that some people may consider it a masterpiece.
There are other polarizing albums, Abacab being a paradigm with no less than eleven 1-star reviews from Prog Reviewers, while six Reviewers posted 4 star reviews. There is even a 5-star review fom a normal member.
It is certainly a weak album but it seems to me that some Reviewers should also refresh themselves the rating guidelines, you may like Abacab more or less but 1 star does not seem appropiate.
I didn't read anybody reporting those as inappropiate reviews in this forum.
I think too that his review was probably too harsh (the effect undoubtedly augmented by the imaginative literary display) but his is certainly not the only one.
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dtguitarfan
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Indeed...
I rewrote that one about a week ago, by the way (in case anybody would care). I tried to do a better job of outlining what exactly I didn't like about it, and tried to make it more humorous. Still don't like the album, and no matter how I write that review it's probably going to tick off the TD fans that I'm not giving it 5 stars, but there's life. |
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Dean
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May I suggest you reconsider the idea of writing humerous reviews for things you don't like, no matter how funny you think it is, it is really not that nice.
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tamijo
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Besides the very "band" related debate (if you can call it a debate)
I dont understand why everyone seems scared to use the 1 star rating, we have only got 5 options. I have seen quite a few good 1 star reviews, even for albums i like very much myself. Its all about a good text to explain why you dont like the album This is a good example : http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=16540 I always liked this album, but the reviewer dosent, and he explains why, without trowing dirt. Another example : Same thing, i love this album, especial the first part. Not prog at all, but great Byrne songs. The reviewer dosent, but gives good reason why not. |
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Well I use the 1 star rating if I feel the album is worthless or the absolute pits. If it has no decent songs or not enough to warrant the second star it must deserve a 1 star. It is rare that an album receives the 1 star but unfortunately when you hear some of the trash out there it is impossible not to use the 1 star rating. VDGG's ALT is the latest album to get 1 star and to me it is obvious as it is an absolute let down and nothing on it that I want to hear on a regular basis. It really is a disaster, and I want to forget it is even in the VDGG catalogue as it is appalling. 1 star. See, its easy!
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Dayvenkirq
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^ In the PA review-writing policy/guide it says "Use 1 & 5 sparingly". Why sparingly? Read the policy/guide. So, I just go with the flow.
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tamijo
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Ya - but every single reviewer i have looked up - use 1 star very very very sparingly, and 5 stars not very sparingly. Nothing in the policy/guide says you should do that. ( I did it myself )
Edited by tamijo - July 24 2012 at 04:08 |
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Dean
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If every reviewer was asked to review the same batch of (let's say) 250 albums then the distribution of 1 & 5 star reviews would be less frequent.
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Snow Dog
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I don't think I know any 1 star albums. Well maybe one or two. Keith Christmas "Stories from the Human Zoo" might be a candidate.
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Dean
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^ yes, there is that ... the number of really truly awful albums in Prog should be a very small number - I can't think of an album off the top of my head I'd call 1-star album - some tribute/compilation albums may qualify I guess.
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Snow Dog
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^Which is why I believe 1 star ratings are handed out too easily. Nothing can be done of course but I ignore them.
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tamijo
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Oh I can think of quite a few albums. Im not in love with everything recorded. I dont c why i should give Crimsons Earthbound 2 stars, even if i can actualy find a few moments of great music, in this otherwise amaturish recording. I got the album, i wouldent want it otherwise, im a big fan, i need everything with KC. But a review should give advise, the advise should be, this is low-fi at its worst, horrible sound. At the same time you have a load of other KC live albums, with a lot better music. Go get one of them. Or Bowies failure to make a follow up on Lets Dance : Tonight The man made 20+ super albums, why not tell that this is the one you should not get, unless you have everything else he did. Edited by tamijo - July 24 2012 at 05:41 |
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Dayvenkirq
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^ I guess what tamijo is trying to say is that if Album A is better than Album B, Album B is better than Album C, Album C is better than Album D, etc., and you have about a dozen or two albums to look over, then the number of stars could say which album is better or worse or just about as good as another album by the same artist/group. Actually, this point has been touched once before in a different thread, but I bet you a billion dollars that I can't remember it's name.
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Snow Dog
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^Nonsense.
Many, manyb albums can fall within the wide remit of 2 or 4 stars
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Dayvenkirq
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^ Just paraphrasing other people's thoughts, man.
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tamijo
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Infact would be best if we had just 4 stars, and very political correct too.
All music (especialy if a tiny bit prog) is good, dont have to think at all ,and with only the 4 star option, we dont have to fight over if the top album is overrated. anymore.
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Atavachron
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I think one tends to remember the 1 star ratings they give, off the top I recall a Morse Code album and something by Radiomobel
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