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Originally posted by javajeff javajeff wrote:

I was just really curious why they get hit so hard.  I always thought it was the YES clone analogy.  However, what about Wobbler?  I think Wobbler is rated higher, but they did not make it over the 4.00 hump.  I think both bands have good albums.

Does Progressive Metal get more love than Symphonic?  I enjoy both.

Look at this list and tell me that every album rated over 4.00 is better than Lex Rex:

http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?syears=2011#list

I haven't heard any Wobbler, but from reading reviews, I think Wobbler gets rated a bit higher because they are so similar to Yes that people just tend to think of their stuff as "extra Yes albums" and rate the albums as if they had been made by Yes in the 70's.  Glass Hammer seems to me to sit a bit on the edge; not similar enough to Yes to be accepted as a total clone, but not different enough to avoid the "derivative" tag.  That's just my impression from the reviews and discussions around here; I'm not very familiar with the bands and I'm not trying to represent any particular person's opinion.
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Originally posted by javajeff javajeff wrote:

I was just really curious why they get hit so hard.  I always thought it was the YES clone analogy.  However, what about Wobbler?  I think Wobbler is rated higher, but they did not make it over the 4.00 hump.  I think both bands have good albums.

Does Progressive Metal get more love than Symphonic?  I enjoy both.

Look at this list and tell me that every album rated over 4.00 is better than Lex Rex:

http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?syears=2011#list


I'm not crazy about Lex Rex- it's okay to me (though I've only heard it two, three times).

Shadowlands is their best album- 5 stars.

Culture of Ascent is their second best and I think I gave that 5 stars.  The cover of "South Side of the Sky" is better than Yes' original. 

I liked Cor Cordium an awful lot.

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Points: 32553 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2012 at 18:06
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

GOD! You just can't accept that everybody don't share your opinions about music, can you? 

What I can't accept is the trolling.  Look, have you ever read UMUR's reviews?  I've never read anything negative from him.  He can write a 3 star review, and if you didn't look at the stars, you'd think he loved the album because he says nice things.  This is something I am striving to emulate now that I am writing reviews in return for receiving free promos.  I have not yet written a review under 3 stars, and if I got something that I thought I might want to dip to that level or below, I'd tell the guy who sends me the promos that I'm not sure I want to write that one, because I always want to be respectful.  But I don't think that's a sentiment most reviewers agree with - I think a lot of people think it's cool to be insulting, because other people who share their hatred of that music applaud them and tell them how funny they were.


One can be respectful even in loathing a performance.

I know this because I am a teacher.
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Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

GOD! You just can't accept that everybody don't share your opinions about music, can you? 

What I can't accept is the trolling.  Look, have you ever read UMUR's reviews?  I've never read anything negative from him.  He can write a 3 star review, and if you didn't look at the stars, you'd think he loved the album because he says nice things.  This is something I am striving to emulate now that I am writing reviews in return for receiving free promos.  I have not yet written a review under 3 stars, and if I got something that I thought I might want to dip to that level or below, I'd tell the guy who sends me the promos that I'm not sure I want to write that one, because I always want to be respectful.  But I don't think that's a sentiment most reviewers agree with - I think a lot of people think it's cool to be insulting, because other people who share their hatred of that music applaud them and tell them how funny they were.
There is nothing wrong with a negative review. Actually, I think most musicians would prefer a sincere, negative review to a positive, ass-licking one. And it is, of course, possible to be both negative and respectful at the same time. That's what you should be striving for IMO, to always be respectful, but critical.
 
(Sorry for all the edits. English is not my first language.)


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Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

WAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HA!!!  LOL
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Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

GOD! You just can't accept that everybody don't share your opinions about music, can you? 

What I can't accept is the trolling.


The things you flip sh*t about aren't trolling by any stretch of the imagination.
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Originally posted by javajeff javajeff wrote:

Does Progressive Metal get more love than Symphonic?

WAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HA!!!  LOL
Sorry...that was too funny.
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Shadowlands is okay, rest of their stuff is kind of annoying/bad/cheesy whatever. 
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I was just really curious why they get hit so hard.  I always thought it was the YES clone analogy.  However, what about Wobbler?  I think Wobbler is rated higher, but they did not make it over the 4.00 hump.  I think both bands have good albums.

Does Progressive Metal get more love than Symphonic?  I enjoy both.

Look at this list and tell me that every album rated over 4.00 is better than Lex Rex:

http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?syears=2011#list


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Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

GOD! You just can't accept that everybody don't share your opinions about music, can you? 

What I can't accept is the trolling.  Look, have you ever read UMUR's reviews?  I've never read anything negative from him.  He can write a 3 star review, and if you didn't look at the stars, you'd think he loved the album because he says nice things.  This is something I am striving to emulate now that I am writing reviews in return for receiving free promos.  I have not yet written a review under 3 stars, and if I got something that I thought I might want to dip to that level or below, I'd tell the guy who sends me the promos that I'm not sure I want to write that one, because I always want to be respectful.  But I don't think that's a sentiment most reviewers agree with - I think a lot of people think it's cool to be insulting, because other people who share their hatred of that music applaud them and tell them how funny they were.
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Originally posted by Morsenator Morsenator wrote:

If he sees that response coming, and you see his response for that response coming, and I see your response for that response's response coming, did I see my response for the response's response already before he posted his response? 

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If he sees that response coming, and you see his response for that response coming, and I see your response for that response's response coming, did I see my response for the response's response already before he posted his response? 
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javajeff:  You'll find that modern symphonic prog in general tends to polarize opinion, as some people love it while some think it's too derivative of the classic bands, or not "progressive" or experimental enough.  Being heavily inspired by Yes, Glass Hammer often gets tagged as a Yes clone, and however good the compositions might be, if a band's music is too close to the sound of a classic band, it's not worth much as it's just unnecessary repetition of what another band already did.  I've only heard a couple Glass Hammer songs, so I don't have an opinion on them.  I liked the songs (they did sound quite similar to Yes), but I just never listened to more than a few (there's so much good music out there, it's hard to listen to it all!)  Really, the only modern symph I listen to is Epignosis and Echolyn, as of now.
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I saw that response coming from that response two miles away. Tongue

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Edited by Slartibartfast - July 10 2012 at 16:03
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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I saw that response coming from a mile away, although I expected that it would come from the rabid dog of snow.
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Points: 12859 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2012 at 15:53
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Glass Hammer is great. There's a lot of opinionated jerks who think it makes them sound more intelligent if they trash bands around here. Don't take them seriously, I guess. This site should be about appreciation of music, but there's too many people who think they need to trash another band to make their favorite sound good, and they're just hurting themselves by being so over critical is all.
GOD! You just can't accept that everybody don't share your opinions about music, can you? 

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I love Lex Rex and Culture of Ascent.  Shadowlands is okay.  Everything else of theirs just seems really bland to my ears.  I own everything of theirs from Lex Rex through If.
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I sampled some but don't know them really.  I have a strict policy against hammering music I don't know.  
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