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ARIA PALEA : DANZE D'ANSIE (1998). I like this one.
 
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Anyone knows the compilation : "ITALIAN PROG" with rare and unreleased tracks by RRR, Il Paese de Baccholi, Edgar allan Poe ... etc. ? Thanks !
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Silent thread, lonely thread ...
 
No news today from Italy, but some spanish prog I discovered recently. Great.
 
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Originally posted by hellogoodbye hellogoodbye wrote:

Anyone knows the compilation : "ITALIAN PROG" with rare and unreleased tracks by RRR, Il Paese de Baccholi, Edgar allan Poe ... etc. ? Thanks !


Can't say I do. Sorry.
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Originally posted by hellogoodbye hellogoodbye wrote:

Anyone knows the compilation : "ITALIAN PROG" with rare and unreleased tracks by RRR, Il Paese de Baccholi, Edgar allan Poe ... etc. ? Thanks !

Pierre, that CD was included in the first editions of Croce's book Italian Prog, which was basically a book form of his website. The tracks on the CD are mostly unique to the CD, although the majority aren't very good. The RRR and Offician Meccanica tracks are in a more commercial vein and aren't very interesting. The E A Poe tracks (Jaws songs and Canzone dell'Angelo) are found on the VM version of the Generazioni album, and aren't nearly as good as the album tracks. The tracks by Il Paese dei Balocchi and Gli Esseri are pretty good, also one of the tracks by I Numi. The two songs by Breznev Fun Club are very much in the same vein as their recent album. The Dalton song is a vocal version of Riflessioni and is okay. Latitudine 45 is close to new wave. 

So that's it, it's not something that you should go out of your way to find, unless you are interested in the book and can find a copy with the CD. 
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Thanks very much, my friend !  Heart
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Originally posted by hellogoodbye hellogoodbye wrote:

Silent thread, lonely thread ...
 
No news today from Italy, but some spanish prog I discovered recently. Great.
 
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My sincere apologies Pierre. Yes, it has been too quiet here but you have done a wonderful job of holding the fort. Many thanks my friend! Handshake
 
We have been busy though - I'll post some Italian news here tomorrow evening. 
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Nothing wrong with dissent, and David does so with respect.  Nice review Guld!

And I'm with you on Zuffanti, David....never have been able to get into it. 

 Il Tempio delle Clessidre by TEMPIO DELLE CLESSIDRE, IL album cover Studio Album, 2010
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Il Tempio delle Clessidre Rock Progressivo Italiano

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2 stars Downfall of modern RPI

I should love this - I really should. I've been returning to this album more than a dozen times now to see if I had gotten it wrong, heard it whilst drunk or sleepwalking, but alas there is just something about this release that completely fails to engage me.

Mind you, these are some highly skilled musicians whether you choose to lend an ear to the Banco inspired classical fountains of piano - or you lean towards the heavy notes of guitar and pumping drums. All of these people are up there with the best of them, and furthermore, like many reviewers here also have mentioned, the masculine and quite endemic vocals of the now legendary Stefano "Lupo" Galifi roam throughout the playing time of the album. He still sounds as powerful and insisting as ever, and you wouldn't know that he by now is in his 60s.

There are a fair few fingerprints of the original RPI wave, and I hear traces of the aforementioned Banco del Mutuo Soccorso, Quella Vecchia Locanda and of course Museo Rosenbach - Lupo's original band. Then you get some modern touches akin to Anglagård and the reformed Van der Graff Generator - all mixed together with what genuinely sounds like a bit of Dream Theater. I maybe loosing it a bit, but that's what I hear.

One of my biggest gripes with this release, is the total lack of dynamics in the production. I constantly feel like I'm listening to the second cousin of Vapor Trails. One big pounding wall of sound, that keeps things loud and distinguishable - crystal clear and audible - everything in its right place.... Now would that be such a bad thing then? Well sometimes it isn't, but on here it makes me loose focus and interest, when all musical excursions seem to be at the same level, resulting in a flat expression - levelling all valleys and peaks to one great big pan cake. It kills me, because I can hear the brilliant songwriting and the chops of these guys, but I just can't help it. Feels like it was recorded in a lab - seems oddly sterile and cold - even if the music bears strong resemblance to the warmer and more romantic side of the Italian scene. Personally I just loose track somewhere in the album and then forget to listen. The times I've heard this all the way through felt like a chore, and that is no way to feel about music... This is actually a big problem for me with most of the modern RPI releases, and this is essentially what sets them aside from the acts of the good old days. It's why I don't get the Fabio Zuffanti projects as well as most of the other new kids on the block. They sound bland to me - without the warmth and soul power of the original wave that with poor means and a small cupboard to record in, managed to create something audacious and vibrant. Something with life and dynamics, which sadly are the two ingredients I lack in this outing.

I realise that I am just about the only descending voice here, but then again, if you feel enamoured by the current recording productions a la Dream Theater, IQ, Yes, Haken and Rush, then by all means climb on board this ride - you're most likely going to love it!




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And you can hear two samples from the new Il Bacio Della Medusa album here. 

http://www.reverbnation.com/ilbaciodellamedusa

I love that Simplicio track!
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David, I unfortunately agree with you. Last year I was in Montreal and everyone showed me this disk as the Holy Grail. I bought it on the basis of so much praise, but I have not found the treasure referred to me ... What you write sums up what I think. I regret it yet. I would like to love this music, but it slides on me. Recently I discovered bands like Architrave indipendente or Adharma. The first sounds as in the 1970s and the second as  Radiohead without the Thom Yorke's wailing. For me these two bands represent the present, but probably not the future of the italian progressive music. You see, I have not yet found my Holy Grail, but I'm sure it's for tomorrow or after tomorrow Wink
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Hey thanks for posting Jim, although I am not that happy with it myself. Not that every review needs to be positive, but yeah erm.... I think I am better at the recommending types I usually stick to.( Also: dissenting voice eh? - I learn every day...)

Pierre, I am glad I'm not the only one then. Thanks man. If you are looking for something new in regards to RPI, then have you tried Il Bacio della Medusa's former album? That is one I personally love, and a lot of the guys here have already written some brilliant reviews of it, if you want to read up on it.

BTW, before I forget. Jim that was one heck of a review you did of Surrealistic Pillow. Just stunning, and it is coincidentally also one of my old psych faves from a time when I had a thousand pimples. A very nice read
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BIGLIETTO PER L'INFERNO : TEMPO DELLA SEMINA
I'm on this one, right now. Big deception ? Maybe. I'm not sure. I need more time. My Mellow edition sounds very rude. Maybe the BTF is better ?
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@Pierre - I finally have the new laptop I've been meaning to buy for months. In the long term it will be better but at the moment I'm unfortunately having trouble with the different operating system. I had hoped to post something tonight but not ready yet. Hopefully tomorrow.
 
@David - Congratulations on making the prolific reviewers list!
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I've finally managed to write some reviews again, including these two that might be of interest to readers of this thread Smile

M.elle Le Gladiator
Franco Battiato Rock Progressivo Italiano

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2 stars Pushing further into the more fractured, avant-garde and academic styles of 1974's Clic, M.elle Le Gladiator is a difficult album to love. It is a loose-loose collection of what feels a lot more than an assortment of studio ideas and experimentation than proper and working compositions. You cannot really talk about a collective identity - no cohesive whole - when listening to the three tracks here. Instead you are served three rather distinct dishes, none of which is especially palatable taken at face value.

All Battiato's albums up to and including this point come with quite a distinct experimental and esoteric vibe, regardless of the differences between them, but for the first time he drifts a bit too far into a detached, coldly insular and introverted place in music. I am sure the music here has some kind of deeper meaning to Battiato himself, but it is woefully hard to connect to it on an emotional level for me as a listener.

In short: music for the brain, not for the "soul". Bull[&*!#] statement, but you get the point.

The first of the tracks here (Goutez et Comparez) is an erratic, flickering sound collage of what I guess is primarily various radio and television snippets, both musical and simple talk broadcasts, interspersed with small voice clips and mumblings of Battiato himself. Fusing it all together is a selection of short, eerie and slightly foreboding (often electronic) noises and melodies. Twisting and turning sharply in emotional intensity and content, the strange mix of what I imagine is an expression of apparent nostalgia, a form of social commentary and pure effect-seeking clips feels distinctly unpleasant after a while; a bit like randomly browsing through a malfunctioning human memory or delving into a fever dream. It is surprising then that about halfway through it transforms into a shimmering, textural sequence of near crystalline quality. Light and clear with amorphous synthesizer dancing about in the background. It does not last for long though, as it dies off and leaves room for a towering church organ chord blasting on for several minutes, with minor modulations and changes to it along the way, as well as some lovely colouration from background synths and sparse but poignant vocals.

...and out of the blue, just like that, Canto Fermo starts. More church organ meanderings, working its way from humble and rather dark, spacey ominous beginnings (the stereotypical horror sound comes to mind) up to more familiar Classical themes and motifs, albeit a lot less formal and structured. After a few dynamic minutes of this, warm, indistinct synths gently envelops everything in a soothing and rather beautiful ambiance. Cue another abrupt end.

...and it is time for more church organ in the last track Orient Effects. This one can be seen as the marriage of several disparate parts of the album. The dominance, grandeur and vastness of the church organ finds a way to blend with the more discreet, sequenced textures into a surprisingly successful form of ecclesiastical prog electronic/ambient. It is a refreshing mix of low-key, understated finesse and the awe-inspiring, once again working with the simple of idea of the sustained church organ chord with synths (and I would say even more organ) moving about in wondrous way underneath it.

Gently abrasive, grandstanding, epic and always a bit cold and theoretical. Musically, it is an often overpowering affair, yet equally often very minimal in the same compositions.

So how does it make you feel? Well, in some ways it does not. It is somehow just above and beyond that. But at times it still manages to really lift you up into a sort of higher state of being, a sense of leaving the mundane behind and traveling to a clearer, brighter world of...whatever! It is not joyful, not sad, not spiritual or emotional like that. No, it is something altogether more clinical, pure and refreshingly cleansing. Strange stuff.

Getting there is difficult for me, even though it is rewarding when it happens.

Hard to connect, a bit difficult to digest, widely different feelings about it from listening to listening, but occasionally wonderful. Brr.

On average around 2,5 stars. Rounding down this time.

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Pierrot Lunaire
Pierrot Lunaire Prog Folk

Review by LinusW
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3 stars A strange little thing this one. Italy's Pierrot Lunaire's self-titled first album sits as a wedge between several familiar styles without really conforming to the standards of any of them. Of these styles, folk and the wide spectrum of Rock Progressivo Italiano are definitely the most predominant. Not the strangest or most revolutionary of combinations, but there you have it.

They do however manage to present this package in their own particular and often unique little way. It never really feels comfortable in the prog folk idiom in which it finds itself placed, even though I can certainly see why Pierrot Lunaire is where it is. The music comes across as mostly rather gentle and soothing, with tender, crisp folk melodies and lovely "watercolour" instrumental richness, harmony and warmth. An array of guitars (acoustic, 12-string, electric) and prevalent, warm and pleasant keyboards such as organ and piano tend to do that to an album. With additions of mandolin, sitar and celesta these feelings are further enhanced. All of this is presented with an unusual, but refreshing naiveness and earnestness that is both endearing and easy to digest.

Folk'y, nimble acoustic and electric guitars are all over the place, serving as textural backdrop or playing the sweet and delicate pastoral melodies you immediately pick up on as a first impression. Piano, being a favourite instrument of mine, is also given a big role: cheerfully rollicking, gently phrasing, begging for your attention in the same discreet, lovely and rejuvenating way as falling rain (thank you, Pierre!) or just dominating melodically in the fresh sumptuousness only the piano can bring to music. There is often an air of joyful urgency and expectancy in the music, a youthful impatience and happiness that drives the music. A touch of spring, perhaps? Sometimes it positively surges with bouncy bass lines, energetic acoustic guitar, that rollicking piano mingling with other melodies and other instruments coming to the fore only to drift away into the backdrop again. At times there are more hard-hitting pieces and shades of murkier emotions, a bit more menace and dark energy in the chord progressions and melodies, but it is never really threatening or ominous, just a bit of coldness and/or heat (or to continue with the spring theme - a late frost or a grass fire) now and then. On the whole, it is a fairly dynamic and expressive set of songs.

What lurk as a bit of a constant shadow over the record is the, in my opinion, sometimes rather bland rhythmic constructions and the simplicity of the underlying main motifs that shine through the decidedly stronger musical topping. Partly, this is surely due to the lack of a dedicated drummer, but it reaches further than that, being, as it is, at the basic structural AND melodic core of the album. No added drummer can remedy that, but it could at least give the music more of a much needed backbone on some of these compositions. It is just a bit clumsy and cumbersome, a little too sterile and strict at times. The underlying guitars and (especially) bass make up for it a lot of the time, but it still is a weakness in my eyes.

I also feel that on repeated listens, being washed over by beautiful melody upon beautiful melody with beautiful harmony upon beautiful harmony coupled with the general positive and pleasing vibe of it all can become a little bit grating. There is a tendency for the simple-yet-effective and expected to get the upper hand a little too often, be it dynamically or melodically. Nothing wrong with that per se, but it really is not good enough for it to be a great album in my book. Sure, there is drama to be found, but always a bit toned-down and mellow, staying away from the more flamboyant and heartfelt. No need for an entire album to be like that, but I find myself looking for something a little more red-blooded.

Regardless of shortcomings, I treasure Pierrot Lunaire. It is a wonderful pick-me-up, and if I am looking for an album of this type the energy, earnestness and sometimes heart-achingly beautiful melodies found here are very hard to beat.

3 stars.

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Good work Linus Clap ! I will add half a star to the first Pierrot Lunaire album and two to the song "Arlecchinata" that I cherish a lot.  
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@Pierre, I feel like one of those journalistic hacks who promise a forthcoming scoop but who then post old news, but hopefully you find something to interest you here.

 

So, I thought we might be due a little update on the artists that we’ve added since Jim’s previous compilation towards the end of last year. Jim, my apologies if I’ve replicated any of your work.

 

Many thanks to members of all the other teams who helped with additions, and to our good friends here in the Den for their continued support and artist suggestions.

 

Egonon For any reader who isn’t familiar with this band; if you take nothing else away with you from reading this post, please check out their colossal debut album.  

 

Barabba Obscure one album project from the mid-1970s. Experimental avant folk fusion, based on Gospel themes.

 

Persimfans Strange release from 1978 that originally included spoken dialogue by a famous Italian illusionist. The dialogue is missing from the CD version but what we do get are unique soundscapes of electronics, avant, female vocals. One for fans of Mellotron-choir.

 

Il Volo di Icaro Mythology themed conceptual work, acoustic based and in the Cantautori tradition.

 

Quel Giorno di Uve Rosso Religious themed soft prog project from the seventies, deserving of a CD reissue.

 

Ego A brain freeze inducing evaluation for the team, until the band released ‘Evoluzione Delle Forme’ where they finally nailed their RPI colours to the wall. Instrumental, symphonic based, dominated by keyboards with a twist of trombone.  

 

Antares Not the German symphonic band but a mysterious electro-prog Crossover act with a connection to Antonius Rex. Even the band name is similar. Hmm. Released a surprisingly good, but short, album based on the theme of space travel, with nice spacey passages of guitar with some electronics. Just ignore the first track; those English vocals, ouch!

 

Adharma One shot modern band that released a concept album based on the corrupting power of the media. Available as a download only.

 

Pane Minimalist avant folk poetry featuring a singer who has been described as the new Stratos.

 

Ombraluce Modern band who oscillate between rock and prog.

 

Janus Questionable politics and dodgy sound, but musically not too bad. Hard rock based RPI with added flute.

 

Spettri Recorded in the early-1970s but only released for the first time last year. Occult/philosophical concept, dark atmospheres and heavy riffs a la Zep/Sabs with shedloads of Hammond organ. Poor sound quality but fun Heavy Prog.

 

Alessandro Aliscioni Extremely rare soft symphonic Christian prog.

 

Dallaglio This guy’s CV includes an extensive list of collaborations with well known artists from the scene. His only album is a mix of pop/prog.

 

Catafalchi del Cyber Another problematic addition finally accepted by Neo. Their prog credentials were never in doubt, just where to put the beggars. Great and varied album that contains a bit of everything. One of my personal favourites.

 

Synderesi Another album based on the Gospels. Symphonic with something of an avant feel. No CD though.

 

La Sorgente Highly important Christian band with a sound close to Celeste. If I could choose just one album to get released on CD it would be this.

 

Ultimo Spiaggia A collective project rather than a proper band. Mid-1970s experimental conceptual work.

 

Messaggio 73 Yet another Christian band, though I think we may just about have fully mined this seam by now. Prog-lite for sure, but an important work that was performed live hundreds of times during the 70s and early-80s.

 

L’Ombra della Sera Basically this is La Maschera di Cera plus guests, performing 70s-style Italian television soundtracks.

 

Breznev Fun Club Neo-Classical-Avant-Fusion? Divers instrumentation, operatic female vocals.

 

Ornithos Il Bacio della Medusa offshoot, primarily instrumental music led by Eva Morelli’s flute and sax.

 

Macroscream Promising young band whose debut album contained a unique combination of folksy violin and prominent electric bass. Highly recommended for the music, if not the ‘highly distinctive’ English vocals. Italian vocals next time fellas?

 

The Odeja 1980s jazz oriented band with female vocalist singing in English. Basically an unfinished project that the nice people at Mellow managed to dig up, so unfortunately you only get about 24 minutes of music.

 

Fabio Frizzi Kudos to PA’s very own Sandman (Logan/Greg) for his sterling work on this addition. Italian horror soundtrack composer who collaborated with Goblin. Recommended to electronics fans. Hope to see some reviews on the site soon.

 

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Thanks very much, mister "New Laptop".  Good job ! Thumbs Up I already know the old bands, but I'm gonna dig seriously the new ones. The name of Fabio Frizzi makes me think that I should make a list of the italian soundtrack composers close to RPI. Thanks again !
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Very nice work Chris! And may I add, what a wonderful oversight of the newcomers to PA. Definitely going to dig a bit deeper here. Thanks for that.
Oh, and I made the list?!!?? Damn, there's something I'd never see happen. Thanks.(Hey and congrats with that new laptop;-)

And as always Linus, you write some fantastic reviews dude!
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thanks Chris, it's been a while since our last team update.  awesome job! Clap

...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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