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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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A Biblical Threat to National Security

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Epignosis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2012 at 06:28
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

A Biblical Threat to National Security



So, by extension, if the US military accepts soldiers who are Christians, they are violating the establishment clause of the First Amendment?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Slartibartfast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2012 at 18:48
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

A Biblical Threat to National Security



So, by extension, if the US military accepts soldiers who are Christians, they are violating the establishment clause of the First Amendment?

Nah, the US military just shouldn't have an official bible.

You know, Republicans really should be ashamed of all the slander they've heaped upon Carter...
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

And holy hell I'm agreeing with Jimmy Carter.



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Surprise surprise.  All the NRA and Fox News and House Republican's fury over Fast and Furious based on a bunch of lies.

Truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

"Indeed, a six-month Fortune investigation reveals that the public case alleging that Voth and his colleagues walked guns is replete with distortions, errors, partial truths, and even some outright lies. Fortune reviewed more than 2,000 pages of confidential ATF documents and interviewed 39 people, including seven law-enforcement agents with direct knowledge of the case. Several, including Voth, are speaking out for the first time."



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In other news, some bankers did something and everyone pretended to act surprised and/or outraged. Clown
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Basically everything now can be ruled constitutional as a tax. 
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Now we know the end of world really is near.

BREAKING: Supreme Court Upholds Health Care Law, Individual Mandate


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The Supreme Court on Thursday upheld the individual health-insurance mandate that is at the heart of President Obama’s landmark health-care law, saying the mandate is permissible under Congress’s taxing authority.

The potentially game-changing, election-year decision — a major victory for the White House less than five months before the November elections --will help redefine the power of the national government and affect the health-care choices of millions of Americans."


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The USSA continues to be built, brick by brick. 
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^ not so fast:

Supreme Court Rejects Montana's Election Spending Law




CNN Blows Health Care Ruling Badly: Picture LOL




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The T Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2012 at 09:56
Well, after they announced the wrong result in a presidential election once, I guess this little error is just a minor slip. 
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Is the penalty a tax or is it not a tax?

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STEPHANOPOULOS: You were against the individual mandate …

OBAMA: Yes.

STEPHANOPOULOS: … during the campaign. Under this mandate, the government is forcing people to spend money, fining you if you don't. How is that not a tax?

OBAMA: Well, hold on a second, George. Here—here's what's happening. You and I are both paying $900, on average—our families—in higher premiums because of uncompensated care. Now what I've said is that if you can't afford health insurance, you certainly shouldn't be punished for that. That's just piling on. If, on the other hand, we're giving tax credits, we've set up an exchange, you are now part of a big pool, we've driven down the costs, we've done everything we can and you actually can afford health insurance, but you've just decided, you know what, I want to take my chances. And then you get hit by a bus and you and I have to pay for the emergency room care, that's …

STEPHANOPOULOS: That may be, but it's still a tax increase.

OBAMA: No. That's not true, George. The—for us to say that you've got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase. What it's saying is, is that we're not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore than the fact that right now everybody in America, just about, has to get auto insurance. Nobody considers that a tax increase. People say to themselves, that is a fair way to make sure that if you hit my car, that I'm not covering all the costs.
STEPHANOPOULOS: But it may be fair, it may be good public policy …

OBAMA: No, but—but, George, you—you can't just make up that language and decide that that's called a tax increase. Any …

STEPHANOPOULOS: Here's the …

OBAMA: What—what—if I—if I say that right now your premiums are going to be going up by 5 or 8 or 10 percent next year and you say well, that's not a tax increase; but, on the other hand, if I say that I don't want to have to pay for you not carrying coverage even after I give you tax credits that make it affordable, then …

STEPHANOPOULOS: I—I don't think I'm making it up. Merriam Webster's dictionary: Tax—"a charge, usually of money, imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes."

OBAMA: George, the fact that you looked up Merriam's dictionary, the definition of tax increase, indicates to me that you're stretching a little bit right now. Otherwise, you wouldn't have gone to the dictionary to check on the definition. I mean what …

STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, no, but …

OBAMA: … what you're saying is …

STEPHANOPOULOS: I wanted to check for myself. But your critics say it is a tax increase.

OBAMA: My critics say everything is a tax increase. My critics say that I'm taking over every sector of the economy. You know that. Look, we can have a legitimate debate about whether or not we're going to have an individual mandate or not, but …

STEPHANOPOULOS: But you reject that it's a tax increase?

OBAMA: I absolutely reject that notion.




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10 Things You Would Miss About Obamacare

By Igor Volsky on Jun 24, 2012 at 12:20 pm

 The Supreme Court is expected to rule on the constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act this week and could potentially strike down part or the whole of ‘Obamacare.’ Below are 10 things you will miss about the law if the justices invalidate it:

1) Access to health insurance for 30 million Americans and lower premiums. More than 30 million uninsured Americans will find coverage under the law. Middle-class families who buy health care coverage through the exchanges will be eligible for refundable and advanceable premium credits and cost-sharing subsidies to ensure that the coverage they have is affordable.

2) The ability of businesses and individuals to purchase comprehensive coverage from a regulated marketplace. The law creates new marketplaces for individuals and small businesses to compare and purchase comprehensive coverage. Insurers will have to meet quality measures to ensure that Americans can access comprehensive coverage when they need it.

3) Insurers’ inability to discriminate against people with pre-existing conditions. Beginning in 2014, insurers can no longer deny insurance to families or individuals with pre-existing conditions. Insurers are also prohibited from placing lifetime limits on the dollar value of coverage and rescinding insurers except in cases of fraud. Insurers are already prohibited from discriminating against children with pre-existing conditions.

4) Tax credits for small businesses that offer insurance. Small employers that purchase health insurance for employees are already receiving tax credits to encourage them to continue providing coverage.

5) Assistance for businesses that provide health benefits to early retirees.The law created a temporary reinsurance program for employers providing health insurance coverage to retirees over age 55 who are not eligible for Medicare, reimbursing employers or insurers for 80% of retiree claims. The program has offered at least $4.73 billion in reinsurance payments to more than 2,800 employers and other sponsors of retiree plans, with an average cumulative reimbursement per plan sponsor of approximately $189,700.

6) Affordable health care for lower-income Americans. Obamacare extends Medicaid to individuals with incomes up to 138% of the federal poverty line, guaranteeing that the nation’ most vulnerable population has access to affordable, comprehensive coverage.

7) Investments in women’s health. Obamacare prohibits insurers from charging women substantially more than men and requires insurers to offer preventive services — including contraception — at no additional cost.

8) Young adults’ ability to stay on their parents’ health care plans. More than 3.1 million young people have already benefited from dependent coverage, which allows children up to age 26 to remain insured on their parents’ plans.

9) Discounts for seniors on brand-name drugs. Pharmaceutical manufacturers are required to provide a 50% discount on prescriptions filled in the Medicare Part D coverage gap. Seniors have already saved $3.5 billion on prescription drug costs thanks to the Affordable Care Act provision.

10) Temporary coverage for the sickest Americans. The law established temporary national high-risk pools that are providing health coverage to individuals with pre-existing medical conditions who cannot find insurance on the individual market. In 2014, they will be able to enroll in insurance through the exchanges. 67,482 individuals have already benefited from the program.

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The law does not give anyone affordable health care.  It gives people "affordable" health insurance.  Not the same thing.

If this law goes into full effect, I predict we will see the actual cost of health care (doctor's fees, hospital costs, etc.) increase.  I also predict insurance premiums and deductibles will increase- insurance companies have to make a profit.
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insurance companies have to make a profit.


You're not thinking like a Democrat here.
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Murdoch says he would be reluctant to invest in Britain again!  Well thanks a bundle now f**k Off and don't come back again!  You lovely man you
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