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    Posted: June 11 2005 at 21:04
Krimson has done much better stuff. People seem to prop this album because it's the original prog rock pioneer...but that doesn't automatically make it good. Don't get me wrong, half of it is good, like 21st Century Schizoid Man and I Talk To The Wind...but the title track has moments of genius too scattered in between. Also, Moonchild isn't too great. Pretty at first, then just bad.

I liek the album, but Red, Lark's Tongue, Discipline, and even some of their recent stuff is much better in my opinion. I'd put them at:

1. Red
2. Lark's Tongue
3. ITCOTCK
4. Discipline
5. Three of a Perfect Pair

Just cause they pioneered the sound doesn't mean there isn't  better....once again, I LIKE ITCOTCK. I LOVE KING CRIMSON. Just ITCOTCK isn't their best in my ears...it's not as creative as Lark's Tongue or as beautiful as Red can get.
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Points: 46 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2005 at 21:23

01- Red

02- In the court

03- Larks tongues in aspic

04 Discipline (altough the live version of the songs are much better)

05 Islands

 
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Points: 454 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2005 at 21:27
I think The Power To Believe is excellent in its own right without having to stand up next to classic stuff.
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Points: 3830 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2005 at 21:28
I think The Power To Believe stands up to the classic stuff quite well.

The Eyes Wide Open DVD set would make any open-minded individual a believer in the beauty of modern Crimson.
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1.islands

2.red

3.itcotck

4.lark's tongues

5.the power to believe
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Points: 166183 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2005 at 22:17
I agree with you. It is a great album, but not there best. I think Larks' Toungue..., Red, Discipline, and possibly TPTB are better. Moonchild is deffinatly the worst, but all the rest are solid to great. All fans of prog need to hear this album, IMO. And, yes, it is hyped because it started it all, but that's ok, i think it can stand up to that fame, almost anyway.
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1-Red
2-Lizard
3-ITCOTCK
4-Discipline
And I just canīt stop listening to Starless (possibly the best song written in this planet)
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I like...

  1. COCK
  2. Red
  3. Great Deceiver Box Set
  4. Larks Tongues
  5. Lizard


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I haven't really gotten into them aside from In the Court of the Crimson King, so I couldn't really express anything besides I think the album is fine as a whole.
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I think it's a decent album but not their best by a long shot. 'Moonchild' is a poor track & was a sign of things to come when Fripp got full control of the band. I also disagree it was the album that started it all. 'The Nice' should be credited for that IMHO!
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Originally posted by ozricman ozricman wrote:

I like...

  1. COCK
  2. Red
  3. Great Deceiver Box Set
  4. Larks Tongues
  5. Lizard

Waaaayyy too much information...
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I like:

  1. Red
  2. Power to Believe
  3. Lark's Tongue
  4. In the Court
  5. Lizard (very underrated album)
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Points: 236 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2005 at 23:38
Now that I own all the studio albums of the 70's KC, I have to say I enjoy each album in its own right - there is not a single weak album among them.

While ItCotCK (more specifically being blown away by Schizoid) introduced me to KC, I agree it is not their best album.  All but one tracks are stellar; Moonchild just is plain boring.  I'm sorry, I know Fripp is a genius and all (proven by his subsequent works) but no matter how "technical" Moonchild may be, I will never be entertained by it.

One of my more recent albums is In the Wake of Poseidon.  I really like it, and in some respects, I think it surpasses even the great debut album.  I'm no fan of ranking music, especially when it is all stellar, but ItCotCK (like most other KC albums) is just one song shy of being a complete masterpiece front to back.

That's my take on it.


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Originally posted by ozricman ozricman wrote:

I like...

  1. COCK
  2. Red
  3. Great Deceiver Box Set
  4. Larks Tongues
  5. Lizard

 

You know, we could also try being mature.
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The live ProjeKcts are really interesting...and make for good party music.
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Points: 854 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2005 at 00:46
Yes, it is their best, and probably the best album of all time.

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I Like:

  1. ITCOCK
  2. Lizard
  3. Islands
  4. Red
  5. In the Wake of Poseidon

I Don't Like:

  1. Lark's Tongues in Aspic
  2. Starless and Bible Black
  3. Everything Else
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Points: 1261 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2005 at 03:48

I like every studio album, and heres the order.

1. Red
2. Islands
3. Discipline
4. Power To Believe
5. Lizard
6. Construktion of light/In the wake of posiedon at a tie.
7. Beat/Starless at a tie
8. Three of a Perfect Pair
9. THRAK/Larks tounges at a tie
10. ITCOCK

but they are all very good!
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Points: 3830 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2005 at 03:51
Anyone who abbreviates it any other way than ITCHYCOCK is quite simply wrong.  
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Points: 4215 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2005 at 03:53
I think ITCOTCK is their best... and anything after Red was a waste of time!
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