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wjohnd 
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 Posted: June 20 2012 at 16:31 |
 Horizons wrote:
I'll save you the weeks of trouble and tell you it's not.
Out of their 20 albums, i'd put it around 13. |
I'd put it somewhere in the top half...but that might change in a month or two once the excitement of it being not bad at all has worn off.
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Posted: June 20 2012 at 16:17 |
I'll save you the weeks of trouble and tell you it's not.
Out of their 20 albums, i'd put it around 13.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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wjohnd
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Posted: June 20 2012 at 15:15 |
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Rush have never recorded a bad album - they are all good, and some of them are great. Presently I think that Clockwork Angels is a great album. However, I have decided to listen to every studio album again in order of release before I listen to it again (will probably take me a couple of weeks). Then, the next time I listen to Clockwork Angels it will be with the clearest perspective I can muster. Then I will be able to decide if the album is amongst the very best of the Rush canon. |
an interesting project. I've found that when a new Rush album is released I can go back and listen to an older one that hadn't quite licked and which suddenly makes sense as bridge between styles. Hold Your Fire was like that for me - I really liked Power Windows, didn't find HYF all that interesting but loved Presto and then rediscovered and enjoyed HYF much better second time around.
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Green Shield Stamp
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Posted: June 20 2012 at 15:03 |
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Rush have never recorded a bad album - they are all good, and some of them are great. Presently I think that Clockwork Angels is a great album. However, I have decided to listen to every studio album again in order of release before I listen to it again (will probably take me a couple of weeks). Then, the next time I listen to Clockwork Angels it will be with the clearest perspective I can muster. Then I will be able to decide if the album is amongst the very best of the Rush canon.
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Haiku
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TheWatcho
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Posted: June 19 2012 at 18:44 |
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This got to be one of the most chuggy sounding album by Rush, the riffs in BU2B album mix are quite heavy... I don't recall hearing Rush doing these kind of riffs too often.
All in all... I loved 'Clockwork Angels', although I'm not too found on the sound mixing, in most of the songs it sounds just too messy, but in tracks like the album namesake and The Garden, the production is almost crystal clear.
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"And the meek shall inherit the earth"
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zumacraig
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Posted: June 19 2012 at 18:18 |
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i don't have the will to get into this CD. i got burned by the buzz. too bad. SW was way more listenable.
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Stardust we are.
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zumacraig
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Posted: June 18 2012 at 15:51 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
jammun wrote:
I gotta say the new one on occasion suffers from loudness wars. There are times when the drums are just not hearable over all the other racket. The drums!, mind you. Look, I like densely layered music as much as the next guy. Let me know if you want track/time on that. I don't want you to think I'm being a bitch or anything. I like the music. But please. |
Yes, it is unfortunate the mix is muddy/bassy. I did some remixing in Adobe Audition and it helped a lot if the bass is lowered and the mid highs are elevated.
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CWA DR=8, however it really doesn't clip that much. it's just a sh*tty, lifeless mix and master. it's so sad because it really gets in the way of the music. it just sounds like they're playing behind a glass wall and everything is turned all the way up while neil sits in the back playing a tiny drum set. some really good songs though. i de-clipped it which helped with listening fatigue.
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Stardust we are.
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: June 18 2012 at 11:32 |
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^^^ I believe you are right!
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Posted: June 17 2012 at 15:36 |
I have listened to the album five times now and I think it is one of the best albums the band has released. I own all of the studio albums (including the Feedback EP) and all of the live albums with the exception of 'Time Machine: Live in Cleveland'. So, I am not making this claim lightly.
I like the beefy production. I don't think the detail in sound is sacrificed, but I guess it depends what you are listening to the album on. I much prefer this kind of production to that on......say..'Roll the Bones', which to my ears sounds a little thin.
Obviously sound preference is very much a subjective thing and for me 'Clockwork Angels' sounds just great!
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wjohnd
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 14:25 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
Yes, it is unfortunate the mix is muddy/bassy. I did some remixing in Adobe Audition and it helped a lot if the bass is lowered and the mid highs are elevated.
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yup .. agree that's precisely what i did with the old fashioned graphic equaliser settings.
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 11:46 |
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Sorry lads, I found this new one to be uninspired. Was really looking forward to it to. Certainly not a bad album, but not one I can see returning to after a few more listens.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 09:10 |
jammun wrote:
I gotta say the new one on occasion suffers from loudness wars. There are times when the drums are just not hearable over all the other racket. The drums!, mind you. Look, I like densely layered music as much as the next guy. Let me know if you want track/time on that. I don't want you to think I'm being a bitch or anything. I like the music. But please. |
Yes, it is unfortunate the mix is muddy/bassy. I did some remixing in Adobe Audition and it helped a lot if the bass is lowered and the mid highs are elevated.
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 09:08 |
rushfan4 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
I think the album to beat is Vapor Trails. That's an incredible album and my favorite since Hemispheres. |
Seriously? With that horrid production? Hemispheres is the pinnacle Rush release with me as well but VT is near the bottom these days. I started liking it when I heard it in bits and pieces, but I simply can not sit down and listen to the entire thing.
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The production is bad, sure, but the compositions and performances are amazing. Hell, the production of Nursery Cryme is atrocious, but people seem like it just fine.
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In this day and age, there is no excuse for poor production, especially from a band that has been around for decades, IMO. I do not find most VT compositions to be anything great, or even melodic. How It Is and One Little Victory are my favorites but the rest of the CD is mostly dogs, maybe better than Dog Years. 
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Well I like "Dog Years." 
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Yes. One of my favourite 90's Rush tracks. Gets a lot of hate I noticed. |
Lyrically it is cringe inducing, but musically it is a good song. |
You are on the money with that! 
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Textbook
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 04:24 |
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I'm enjoying the new album, but I have to say that as a concept, it completely misses me. The story doesn't interest me in the slightest and I can't drum up the enthusiasm to follow it or think about it.
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 00:38 |
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I gotta say the new one on occasion suffers from loudness wars. There are times when the drums are just not hearable over all the other racket. The drums!, mind you. Look, I like densely layered music as much as the next guy. Let me know if you want track/time on that. I don't want you to think I'm being a bitch or anything. I like the music. But please.
Edited by jammun - June 15 2012 at 00:40
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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Posted: June 14 2012 at 11:15 |
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I like the lyrics. hey ho.
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Posted: June 14 2012 at 11:13 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
I think the album to beat is Vapor Trails. That's an incredible album and my favorite since Hemispheres. |
Seriously? With that horrid production? Hemispheres is the pinnacle Rush release with me as well but VT is near the bottom these days. I started liking it when I heard it in bits and pieces, but I simply can not sit down and listen to the entire thing.
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The production is bad, sure, but the compositions and performances are amazing. Hell, the production of Nursery Cryme is atrocious, but people seem like it just fine.
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In this day and age, there is no excuse for poor production, especially from a band that has been around for decades, IMO. I do not find most VT compositions to be anything great, or even melodic. How It Is and One Little Victory are my favorites but the rest of the CD is mostly dogs, maybe better than Dog Years.
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Well I like "Dog Years."
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Yes. One of my favourite 90's Rush tracks. Gets a lot of hate I noticed. |
Lyrically it is cringe inducing, but musically it is a good song.
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Posted: June 14 2012 at 11:11 |
Epignosis wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
I think the album to beat is Vapor Trails. That's an incredible album and my favorite since Hemispheres.
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Seriously? With that horrid production? Hemispheres is the pinnacle Rush release with me as well but VT is near the bottom these days. I started liking it when I heard it in bits and pieces, but I simply can not sit down and listen to the entire thing.
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The production is bad, sure, but the compositions and performances are amazing. Hell, the production of Nursery Cryme is atrocious, but people seem like it just fine.
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In this day and age, there is no excuse for poor production, especially from a band that has been around for decades, IMO. I do not find most VT compositions to be anything great, or even melodic. How It Is and One Little Victory are my favorites but the rest of the CD is mostly dogs, maybe better than Dog Years.
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Well I like "Dog Years."
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Yes. One of my favourite 90's Rush tracks. Gets a lot of hate I noticed.
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Posted: June 14 2012 at 11:03 |
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My second listen was better. Just listening to the album in the car and not reading the lyrics or paying that close of attention to them.
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wjohnd
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Posted: June 14 2012 at 00:24 |
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I always find it interesting what albums Rush fans have as favorites. Presto and Vapor Trails are near the bottom for me. |
Its a good sign for a band that people can like different aspects of their music :) many bands don't have those. I generally like the melodic, guitar oriented tracks but it can be anything from a riff/solo from Alex, a great bass lick, a drum part or a lyric that piques my interest and draws me in to embrace a song
Edited by wjohnd - June 14 2012 at 00:27
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