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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2012 at 09:17
Based on this You should be able to say : the highest rated albums, with less than 200 , but still more than 100 ratings  (to keep out the most unknown acts)
Here is a list of the 50 most overrated albums on PA:
 
 
Maudlin albums is there, along with other horriable overrated albums :
You proved me wrong, all totaly overrated Cool
 
Actualy i dont know Maudlin much, i just like having fun with this.

 


Edited by tamijo - June 16 2012 at 09:20
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2012 at 10:17
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

No, I think he has something.

This could be the start of a beautiful friendship....


No, I wouldn't say everything that is highly rated but has under 100 rating is over-rated. But I do think when people come and say such things about something that has stood the test of many ratings and come out on top, like Close to the Edge, that they don't have much ground to stand on.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2012 at 10:24
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

No, I think he has something.
Sure he has- if it was mandatory that everyone had to listen and then rate every album we have then we would have a true reflection of something. Quite what that something is can be debated until the moo-cows come home to roost on Hades' skating rink, but I don't think it would be a true account of anything. A similar result can be obtained if we ignore all the tru-fans and all the fan-boi's and all the haters, then what remains is essentially meaningless inoffensive music that is acceptable to all ... yet accessible music that offends no-one is not popular so what's the point.
 
Dunno, it all seems a bit contrived to me - I couldn't care less what someone who does not like maudlin of the Well thinks, I could care even less for what someone who dislikes all post rock thinks of Sigor Rós or what someone who has a personal dislike of all things Wilson thinks of Storm Corrosion. Sure it's nice to know that these artists are not universally loved, but just because the only people who review then are those that like them is not a huge problem, surely we take that as a given when reading any gushing sycophant's review. If we restricted each album to a single review (like some websites, all blogsites and all review sections in the music press do) then I would want that review to be by someone who a) liked the genre; b) was knowledgible of the genre; c) knew of the artists previous work; d) liked the artists previous work and e) could string words together without excessive superlatives.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2012 at 10:26

I know

Was just fun to check what albums would be on the list.
I think there is great albums there, but many also i dont know at all. And a few i dont like that much
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2012 at 10:44
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I could care even less for what someone who dislikes all post rock thinks of Sigor Rós

I hope you don't think that's me...I'm not a fan by any means, but what I've heard is quite pleasant.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2012 at 10:47
Ermm someone's missed the point.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2012 at 10:52
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Ermm someone's missed the point.

Oh, Dean, I know what your point is, I'm just choosing to ignore it: everyone is always wrong all the time.  That's your point.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2012 at 10:54
I don't mind the terms "overrated" and "underrated."  We imply that an album is one or the other almost every time we issue a rating.

If album A has a 4.52 average rating and I rate it a three, I have effectively said, "This album is overrated."

If album B has a 2.37 average rating and I rate it a four, I have effectively said, "This album is underrated."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2012 at 11:54
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I don't mind the terms "overrated" and "underrated."  We imply that an album is one or the other almost every time we issue a rating.

If album A has a 4.52 average rating and I rate it a three, I have effectively said, "This album is overrated."

If album B has a 2.37 average rating and I rate it a four, I have effectively said, "This album is underrated."
 
 
"But now i'we put in my rating, and my rating count quite a bit, so just now its excatly spot on."
 
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2012 at 12:01
Just trolling, you can off course say its overrated ! You just can't prove it, because taste is not an exact science

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2012 at 12:21
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Ermm someone's missed the point.

Oh, Dean, I know what your point is, I'm just choosing to ignore it: everyone is always wrong all the time.  That's your point.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2012 at 12:52
Valentyne Suite is not over-rated.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2012 at 13:44
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I could care even less for what someone who dislikes all post rock thinks of Sigor Rós

I hope you don't think that's me...I'm not a fan by any means, but what I've heard is quite pleasant.


I, also, don't care, or take seriously, what someone who dislikes a category thinks of a band from that category.  I also wouldn't give a rating or review much weight if I thought the person wasn't really familiar with the style of music. 

I look at ratings a little differently than some (incidentally, one could argue that I have overrated certain favourite acts such as Art Zoyd). To me the ratings description should read rather more like (it's actually not so simplistic to me) .:

Essential: a masterpiece of its category or style
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Excellent addition to any into the category or style of music
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Good, but non-essential alum of its band, category, or style
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Collectors/fans only of the band, category or style
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Poor. Only for completists of this band, category, or style
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I say category or style since individual albums can not often be neatly categorised, and I would not penalise an album just because it is not one of the act's albums that fits its category.

I think that albums commonly should be compared to others of their ilk when judging, and that requires a fair amount of knowledge of the idiom.  That doesn't necessarily mean, however, that I would give a prog band turned pop a good rating for its pop albums even if they are good pop albums.... And personal enjoyment will always be a factor.  I would be rather loathe to rate an album of  a style  I am not that familiar with, or from a category that I don't enjoy a  fair amount of music from.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2012 at 18:20
*raises ice-shield of +5 flame resist*

*deep breath*... Sick         Wish You Were Here

In my most humble opinion, it doesn't even come close to the godly status it's been given not only on this board, but whenever I hear a pink floyd fenatic utter the words "Wish you were here is the greatest album of all time" I litterally want to yell, and more figuratively barf from the world around me spinning toxy turvy from absurdity.

I could almost say the same thing in regards to ANY Rush album, Beatles album, King Crimson album, or Jethro Tull album...
Keep in mind, I'm a massive fan of all of the above, even Wish you were here. Hug

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2012 at 19:02
Close to the Edge. It's a great album, I love it more and more with every listen, it's complex and interesting musically, but it just doesn't hit me as the best Yes album, let alone the best prog rock album. If we talk about the best Yes album, it has to be Relayer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2012 at 20:19
 
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

 
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I say category or style since individual albums can not often be neatly categorised, and I would not penalise an album just because it is not one of the act's albums that fits its category.

I think that albums commonly should be compared to others of their ilk when judging, and that requires a fair amount of knowledge of the idiom.  That doesn't necessarily mean, however, that I would give a prog band turned pop a good rating for its pop albums even if they are good pop albums.... And personal enjoyment will always be a factor.  I would be rather loathe to rate an album of  a style  I am not that familiar with, or from a category that I don't enjoy a  fair amount of music from.

I agree with this, and I pretty much try do the same and have the same mindset with my reviews. It's really hard sometimes to review in the general scheme of prog.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2012 at 20:31
Thick as a Brick. 
Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2012 at 20:49
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Thick as a Brick. 

I can't help but feel like this thread should have been a poll.

Had it been a poll, I would have had all of my friends register just to vote this album.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2012 at 21:34
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I don't mind the terms "overrated" and "underrated."  We imply that an album is one or the other almost every time we issue a rating.
If this was true, then in my case I would imply it, but not really mean the implication, actually.


Edited by Dayvenkirq - June 16 2012 at 21:36
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2012 at 21:40
Originally posted by -Radioswim- -Radioswim- wrote:

 
Had it been a poll, I would have had all of my friends register just to vote this album.

That'd show 'em. 
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