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    Posted: May 23 2012 at 07:34
I currently run my CD player, BluRay player etc through a decent Cambridge Audio amplifier, feeding 2 floor mounted Gale 5is + sub-woofer in front + 2 Gale wall mounted speakers behind & to the sides. The sound quality I get is extremely good, but I'm thinking about replacing the amplifier with an AV receiver for surround sound on movies.

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The 4 speakers I have are good (very good, in fact), as is the sub-woofer, so can I take an AV receiver out of the box & connect these direct to it or will I also need to get a 'centre speaker' (I'd rather not, as don't want to clutter up the room with even more speakers)?

Even moe important - will I still get a good quality hi-fi sound from an AV receiver? Yes, I know you get what you pay for, but will I get as good a music sound from say a £300 AVR as I would from a hi-fi amp of similar price?

I guess what I'm looking for is surround sound with my existing speaker setup without compromising sound quality for my first love, music.

When responding please bear in mind I'm not a techie kind of person, so please keep it in layman's terms.

Cheers, all,

Jim.

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Been looking around & this one appears to get very good reviews for AV and music quality...




Edited by Jim Garten - May 23 2012 at 08:00

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2012 at 10:49
I only can say that centre speaker is essential for movies.

To make sure that AV-receiver sounds in stereo not worse than your amplifier you have to listen to it. In ideal case in your room with your CD player and your speakers. Otherwise you can be disappointed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2012 at 11:17

Hi Jim.......it is certainly a trade off you need to be willing to accept, playing your music thru a HT (Home Theater) setup. I am 100% a true 2-channel music lover.....that's it. I don't have a HT setup, I just don't find the need to listen in 5.1 or 7.1 while watching a movie. Although if I did I would setup a separate system from my audio setup.

That being said depending on your budget the NAD AV receivers are pretty damn nice! Also the Onkyo and Pioneer high end AVR are also pretty nice.
Gale speakers are pretty sweet.......don't deny those monitors a higher end AVR, you will thank yourself later!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2012 at 02:21
Interesting you should say that (and thanks for the response, btw); the AVR I put the link to on the OP has been given very good reviews both for AV and music; this isn't only from AV magazines, but from high end hi-fi magazines, too.

Decisions, decisions...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2012 at 02:34
Personally, I prefer to stick to a separate stereo amp for the music and 5.1 receiver for film.
 
I'm sure you would get on fine using a receiver for both though. You would need 5 matched speakers including the centre speaker, plus a woofer.
 
I notice these days that sound bars are becoming very popular. I've not tried one myself, but it may be worth looking at if space is an issue.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2012 at 03:18
Thanks Bob. I have looked into sound bars, but they seem too much of a compromise...

2 of my friends also use AVRs for hi-fi & they've both told me independently they'd never go back to a straight stereo system.

Don't know what to do

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2012 at 09:20
Jim you could also walk on over to www.audiokarma.org and check out their HT & Video forums and see what people suggest for options on an AVR.
Becareful on that site in general, a lot of furrowed brow music lovers/audiophile folks hang out there and are very proud of their stuff........I hang out there a lot as I enjoy reading all the new equipment and how people use their stuff to gain better sound.
But it is the best audiophile site I have been to.
 
Take your time.....and if possible find a place where you can audition different AVRs. And as Bob states, the best performance will come from matched speakers so everything is in balance.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2012 at 22:32
Furrowed brow music lovers is a euphemism. To be blunt there are a lot of a****les there, don't let them bait you. It's worth a trip though as you will get lot's of info and pointers for what to do research on. Actually, it's just going to make your decision harder to make Smile.  All but the most basic advices are pretty useless unless someone out there has use of your ears. My only advice would be to be sure you buy from a salesman who understands you might need to exchange it if it sounds wrong at home.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2012 at 03:01
I always used to buy my hi-fi separates from Richer Sounds, as they used to have listening rooms in their stores; problem is, they no longer have these (certainly not in my area).

Advice from those in the know on audiophile forums is all well & good, but listening experience is subjective; what sounds good to me may not to someone else.

Tres difficult!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2012 at 17:43
Jim, I must admit I preffer to keep things separate as I feel there's got to be a compromise to be made on same price items in the AVR area over a dedicated Hi-Fi amp. After all an AVR has to have a lot more in it I pressume to do what's required therefore to keep on an eqaul price the parts must be inferior I guess. Having said that I've always been prepared to spend more on my Hi-Fi than TV set up (just recently upgraded my amp to a Naim Nait 5i).
 
For what it's worth however I have a Yamaha RXV567 receiver (got some good reviews I remember) which was the same price as the one you have an eye on and I'm very happy with it for movies, producing a lively punchy sound. While I don't listen to CD's through it, it's perfectly adequate for my live music DVD's and Blu-Rays but doesn't compete with my HI-Fi but at 3 times the price you wouldn't expect it to. I think it could sound a lot better though if used with some better speakers. I currently have a £200 Tammoy 5.1 set-up which are pretty small.
 
Just found this excellent review on the one you're after which might help you decide. http://www.whathifi.com/review/yamaha-rx-v671


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2012 at 18:43
I haven't used a straight stereo system in years.  Totally happy with listening to music over a surround system particularly considering that music is now being released in that format.  I did have an A/V amp setup but it didn't seem to be able to do the surround sound right and had to have an independent powered woofer which popped whenever it kicked in because I got a cheap one I think.  I still have the amp and would be happy to drop it off an let you try it out except for that whole distance thing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2012 at 05:01
Originally posted by Nightfly Nightfly wrote:

Just found this excellent review on the one you're after which might help you decide. http://www.whathifi.com/review/yamaha-rx-v671


This was one of the reviews which finally made up my mind; bought this last week & spent an interesting 3 hours on Saturday setting the whole thing up... 3 hours well spent, as I was more than pleasantly surprised.

Never thought I'd say this, but as far as CD playback quality is concerned, the Yamaha blows the Cambridge Audio hi-fi amp out of the water (especially bearing in mind I'm having to use a crappy old speaker as a centre until my decent one is delivered); absolutely superb sound.

As a first test of the surround sound, we used the opening scene from Saving Private Ryan... I nearly myself & Vicky cracked up laughing when I actually ducked on a couple of occasions

I am one happy chappy

Many thanks all for the advice

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2012 at 11:53
Glad to hear you're happy with your new amp Jim. I've Saving Private Ryan on Blu Ray and i put it on to demonstrate the 5.1 system to my parents. They could only take it for a short while. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2012 at 12:22
Jim,
Glad you are happy with your purchase..Yamaha is some good equipment and usually performs above its price point, which is always good!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2012 at 12:38
Thanks to my employee discount, I just managed to get a Yamaha receiver inthe Aventage line (rx-a820) for as good a price as the top of the line mainstream Yamaha, the one Jim got. Yamaha makes outstanding receivers.

Are there any results of blind testing for stereo vs av receivers for music around? Though it seems to be a fact that stereo amps will do better than a good receiver for stereo music, I wish to read results of blind tests. They might be surprising. Golden-ear audiophiles sometimes hear with their wallets.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2012 at 16:45

^ Would be a good test.......I have never owned an AVR.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2012 at 10:26

I sometimes wonder why my "audiophile" taste has never evolved to the level where people feel the urge to embrace more and more complex sound reproducing machinery. 

I guess part of the argument could be, if I have two ears (not 7.1), and a live band would ordinarily perform from the stage in front of me (not around me), what's exactly the role and the value of the extra channels? 

Our "main" system is a no-frills quartz-locked DD turntable with an unpretentious $90.00 cartridge, hooked to a single-ended EL84 amp with a pair of 8" shelf speakers ... that's it! Thankfully, most of the music we are interested in is available on vinyl. 






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2012 at 10:35
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Are there any results of blind testing for stereo vs av receivers for music around? Though it seems to be a fact that stereo amps will do better than a good receiver for stereo music, I wish to read results of blind tests. They might be surprising.


If there are, I couldn't fnd them. I had to go by reviews from AV websites & compare them to straight hi-fi dedicated sites & was lucky enough to see very good reviews from both for the AVR I bought.

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