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    Posted: June 15 2012 at 04:31
I'm aware this this subject is probably DOA because admin is (completely undertstandably, it's a huge job) reluctant to fool about with the sub-genres as it would involve so much reorginisation, but it strikes me that art rock, though not "progressive rock", is "progressive" and has a home here. Avant garde is not prog rock either, but is included because prog fans are often interested in experimental music generally and I'd say the same of art rock.
A whole lot of art rockers get included in prog-related or crossover, but sometimes the categorisation is awkward. Further art rockers are either not on the site at all or included controversially. IMO, "Art Rock" as a category would add a lot of acts that people want to see here, would tidy up categorisation and would be a fairly busy and popular category as well.
 
 
 
Art rock is more or less soft-avant-garde but I think we'd all agree that putting art rock acts in avant garde would please nobody.
Anyway, not expecting this to go anywhere but I figured this folder was for people to put in their two cents.
 
P.S. RPI is not a genre *ducks*
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Art Rock used to be a sub-genre on PA, but it was decided to split it into Heavy, Crossover, Ecletic, Proto-Prog and Prog-Related.
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Originally posted by Kotro Kotro wrote:

Art Rock used to be a sub-genre on PA, but it was decided to split it into Heavy, Crossover, Ecletic, Proto-Prog and Prog-Related.
More accurately: Art Rock was split it into Heavy, Crossover, Ecletic, Prog-Related and "Not Needed on the Voyage". Proto Prog was never "Art Rock"
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Art rock is more or less soft-avant-garde?
Where does that conclusion come from given that the likes of Cockney Rebel, Roxy Music, Procul Harum, Velvet Underground, Pere Ubu, David Bowie, Doctors of Madness, Talk Talk and Be Bop Deluxe might conceivably tick all the relevant boxes but none of the foregoing would even dent the pillow of avant-garde IMO.
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Kotro Kotro wrote:

Art Rock used to be a sub-genre on PA, but it was decided to split it into Heavy, Crossover, Ecletic, Proto-Prog and Prog-Related.
More accurately: Art Rock was split it into Heavy, Crossover, Ecletic, Prog-Related and "Not Needed on the Voyage". Proto Prog was never "Art Rock"
 
As far as I can remember: Proto-Prog and Prog Related were already there before Art Rock was split up. Art Rock was divided into Heavy, Crossover and Eclectic Prog.


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Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Kotro Kotro wrote:

Art Rock used to be a sub-genre on PA, but it was decided to split it into Heavy, Crossover, Ecletic, Proto-Prog and Prog-Related.
More accurately: Art Rock was split it into Heavy, Crossover, Ecletic, Prog-Related and "Not Needed on the Voyage". Proto Prog was never "Art Rock"
 
As far as I can remember: Proto-Prog and Prog Related were already there before Art Rock was split up. Art Rock was divided into Heavy, Crossover and Eclectic Prog.
Long before that Prog Related was split out from Art Rock if my memory serves me correctly. It's been mentioned before and it will take me forever to find the relevant quotes. Proto Prog was never part of "Art Rock" but Prog Related was.
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There is no avant-garde on PA, only 'Avant-Prog' which is not the same; that's like saying 'Prog Folk' is the same thing as folk music.
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Right, and Progressive Rock is deemed to be the same phenomenon as rock music. Who precisely is claiming that Prog Folk is the same as folk music?
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I for one think we should be cutting down genres instead of adding new ones. Bands in RPI, Zheul, Indo Prog (c'mon), and maybe even Krautrock, could be divided into the other PA sub-genres, IMHO.
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Art rock is more or less soft-avant-garde?
Where does that conclusion come from given that the likes of Cockney Rebel, Roxy Music, Procul Harum, Velvet Underground, Pere Ubu, David Bowie, Doctors of Madness, Talk Talk and Be Bop Deluxe might conceivably tick all the relevant boxes but none of the foregoing would even dent the pillow of avant-garde IMO.
 
Pere Ubu might fit, but thats a technicality.
 
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Originally posted by frippism frippism wrote:

I for one think we should be cutting down genres instead of adding new ones. Bands in RPI, Zheul, Indo Prog (c'mon), and maybe even Krautrock, could be divided into the other PA sub-genres, IMHO.

There are some on the site who agree with you wholeheartedly. I am one.

There are others who would probably cut off your balls and sell them to the devil for suggesting such a thing.

I don't think there will ever be a consensus on the issue.
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by frippism frippism wrote:

I for one think we should be cutting down genres instead of adding new ones. Bands in RPI, Zheul, Indo Prog (c'mon), and maybe even Krautrock, could be divided into the other PA sub-genres, IMHO.

There are some on the site who agree with you wholeheartedly. I am one.

There are others who would probably cut off your balls and sell them to the devil for suggesting such a thing.

I don't think there will ever be a consensus on the issue.


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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by frippism frippism wrote:

I for one think we should be cutting down genres instead of adding new ones. Bands in RPI, Zheul, Indo Prog (c'mon), and maybe even Krautrock, could be divided into the other PA sub-genres, IMHO.

There are some on the site who agree with you wholeheartedly. I am one.

There are others who would probably cut off your balls and sell them to the devil for suggesting such a thing.

I don't think there will ever be a consensus on the issue.


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Originally posted by frippism frippism wrote:

I for one think we should be cutting down genres instead of adding new ones. Bands in RPI, Zheul, Indo Prog (c'mon), and maybe even Krautrock, could be divided into the other PA sub-genres, IMHO.
 
AngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngry.  I only think RPI should. Since most of those bands can fit into other Prog genres.
 
 
I think that PA should get a genre that includes composers who had a massive influence on Prog. (Stockhausen, Varese etc..)
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Originally posted by Sheavy Sheavy wrote:

Originally posted by frippism frippism wrote:

I for one think we should be cutting down genres instead of adding new ones. Bands in RPI, Zheul, Indo Prog (c'mon), and maybe even Krautrock, could be divided into the other PA sub-genres, IMHO.
 
AngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngry.  I only think RPI should. Since most of those bands can fit into other Prog genres.
 
 
I think that PA should get a genre that includes composers who had a massive influence on Prog. (Stockhausen, Varese etc..)

I see no reason they should be put in PA, but if someone were to write a blog entry outlining their significance and relation to the genre, I'd probably read it.
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If you think PA has too many sub-genres, take a stroll over to JazzMusicArchives, PA's sister site.
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