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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2012 at 21:22
I came pretty close to having a heart attack but I was treated professionally.   I followed orders and didn't have a scratch on me after it was over.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2012 at 21:24
I don't see what's delusional about it. Lots of cops do bad things and don't get reprimanded for it. I don't like those cops. Even the good cops enforce immoral laws, so I don't like them so much either.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2012 at 21:33
Pat I'm not gonna start with you my friend.  I understand how you feel, you've made it plain many times, as has MoM.  I respect that.  I just have a different experience and opinion.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2012 at 21:41
It's an error to think that more cops=less crime. If that would be the case, the US would be the safest country in the world.

The presence of these Rambo-like armored bulldozers that are cops everywhere doesn't really convey the idea of the safest of societies. There's too many stupid policies (like the drug war) that are what makes the US so full of crime in some areas and even though I welcome some cops to enforce protection of life and property, as Pat said, they are also there to enforce incredibly stupid laws.

It would be great if society could be made safer not by adding more cops but by changing a few things that are common sense.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2012 at 21:43
And by the way when I said that I feel the US is the "policest" of police states I really wanted to mean that the presence of "Big Brother" is certainly quite strong here, probably the strongest out of all western civilized nations I know (obviously, I don't know them all).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2012 at 21:51
I'm just merely suggesting the one thing that the country should never do.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2012 at 06:51
Cops are a subset of humanity, nothing more, nothing less.

This means there will be evil cops, just as there will be evil teachers, evil priests, and evil architects (Slart? Shocked).

Evil gets the press 95% of the time, so that's what we hear about, and then we make judgments on the whole group based on that very slim minority.

I happen to like and appreciate Hoke County's cops.  I know a few of them because they help out at our school.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2012 at 08:41
Cato has a site devoted to reporting incidents of police misconduct.  Seems like a helpful tool.  Anyway, here's a link to their 2009&2010 map: http://www.policemisconduct.net/maps/searchable-map-2009-2010-misconduct-incidents/


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2012 at 09:04
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Pat I'm not gonna start with you my friend.  I understand how you feel, you've made it plain many times, as has MoM.  I respect that.  I just have a different experience and opinion.  


I have a different opinion than most physicists on the spacial implications of general relativity. I refrain from calling them delusional though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2012 at 09:10
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Cops are a subset of humanity, nothing more, nothing less.

This means there will be evil cops, just as there will be evil teachers, evil priests, and evil architects (Slart? Shocked).

Evil gets the press 95% of the time, so that's what we hear about, and then we make judgments on the whole group based on that very slim minority.

I happen to like and appreciate Hoke County's cops.  I know a few of them because they help out at our school.



I have to disagree. You can't say that serial killers are a subset of humanity (in the sense you're saying it). There's something inherently evil in following what is dictated by the job. Now of course, some cops don't do what they're supposed to do. I like those guys. I'm not going to judge anyone based on what job they have. I don't see a cop walking down the street and dislike him. If I need to make a judgement of the majority of the profession though, it will be negative.

I'll throw one thing out there. People who grow up in rural areas tend seem to like their cops. People who grow up in the inner city seem to be fearful of their cops. Their roles and involvement differ between these two areas I thinks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2012 at 09:33
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Pat I'm not gonna start with you my friend.  I understand how you feel, you've made it plain many times, as has MoM.  I respect that.  I just have a different experience and opinion.  


I have a different opinion than most physicists on the spacial implications of general relativity. I refrain from calling them delusional though.
 
 
I said "some" of what I've read is delusional.  I didn't say Pat was delusional. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2012 at 09:34
It still made me cry all weekend :(

Edited by Equality 7-2521 - June 04 2012 at 09:34
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2012 at 09:41
I just wrote it last nightLOL
 
Anyway, come visit MN and you'll meet some professional, nice guy coppers. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2012 at 10:36
I actually tend to be wary of cops from the start, just as they put on the uniform and their Batman-like belt full of toys. Yes, there are some very good ones of course but the very fact that a person would choose as their profession one where they can use brute force to control other people gives me doubts. The romantic idea of policemen choosing their job because they want to serve the community is probably not the motivation in a big percentage of cases. 


 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2012 at 10:45
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

I just wrote it last nightLOL
 
Anyway, come visit MN and you'll meet some professional, nice guy coppers. 


Your words were that powerful.

I would love to visit MN, but a tour of the local police HQs probably won't be on my agenda.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2012 at 11:40

It's a great state if you like hiking, cc skiing, etc...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2012 at 15:49
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

and evil architects (Slart? Shocked).


Life safety is one of our primary responsibilities then on the other hand you have those that made the drawings for the death chambers of Nazi Germany.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2012 at 22:30


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2012 at 08:36
^
I know it's just a joke, but they're all rich as hell anyway. And they make more of their money from kickbacks and bribes than their official salaries.
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