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areazione
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 13:59 |
From Falling Into Infinity onwards. All of them. No fantasy, no original ideas, no passion or revolutionary concept of any kind. Just opium for the masses.
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Prog Geo
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 14:19 |
Do you really believe it?
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areazione
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Posted: January 05 2011 at 14:31 |
Prog Geo wrote:
Do you really believe it?
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Yes I do.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: May 01 2012 at 11:01 |
King Manuel wrote:
King Crimson: Red – totally overated!!! |
I partly agree with you, but you gotta admit that the album may have made a significant impact on prog metal ... maybe even founded prog metal !
King Manuel wrote:
Porcupine Tree & Mars Volta: Couldn’t agree more! |
Do you mean they are overrated?
King Manuel wrote:
Van Der Graaf Generator: Pawn Hearts – This is a masterpiece, actually underated! |
Not on this website  .
King Manuel wrote:
Phideaux to me can do nothing wrong. II love all there albums. Can listen to them anytime, in any mood. They always put me in an exhaled mood! |
^ Will check 'em out.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: May 01 2012 at 11:05 |
areazione wrote:
Prog Geo wrote:
Do you really believe it?
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Yes I do.
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There is no answer to that. I can disagree but not change your belief. However bizarre it seems.
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DisgruntledPorcupine
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Posted: May 01 2012 at 12:04 |
Selling England by the Pound is a subpar album. Two great tracks, and the rest ranges from meh to dreadful.
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DisgruntledPorcupine
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Posted: May 01 2012 at 12:07 |
Billy Pilgrim wrote:
Anything by Pink Floyd. I don't know how there ratings are so high. Meddle has one good song and everyone loves the whole album. I don't see how anyone could be interested in anything off WYWH other than Shine on and the title track. And even Shine on has eight minutes of bore at the beginning of it. The Wall has an impressive amount of filler as does Dark Side.
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I agree with Meddle, although on the opposite reason that Echoes is just a decent song, while the rest is better for the most part.
How could you hate the beginning of SOYCD though!? That's the best intro ever! 
I do agree with you on The Wall, their worst album by far for me. Dark Side has 0 filler whatsoever though, maybe you're just crazy. 
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Fox On The Rocks
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Posted: May 01 2012 at 14:57 |
Porcupine Tree - Deadwing I love PT, but this album has a lot more downs than highs - Halo and Shallow for example.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: May 01 2012 at 17:24 |
DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:
Selling England by the Pound is a subpar album. Two great tracks, and the rest ranges from meh to dreadful. |
... and I have just promoted The Cinema Show from 4 to 5, he-he-he-e-e-ee-e-e-e  . I think this thread brings us about our own downfall. We can miss so much from discouragement.
DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:
Billy Pilgrim wrote:
Anything by Pink Floyd. I don't know how there ratings are so high. Meddle has one good song and everyone loves the whole album. I don't see how anyone could be interested in anything off WYWH other than Shine on and the title track. And even Shine on has eight minutes of bore at the beginning of it. The Wall has an impressive amount of filler as does Dark Side.
| I agree with Meddle, although on the opposite reason that Echoes is just a decent song, while the rest is better for the most part. How could you hate the beginning of SOYCD though!? That's the best intro ever!  I do agree with you on The Wall, their worst album by far for me. Dark Side has 0 filler whatsoever though, maybe you're just crazy.  |
Onions, onions, onions. Sorry, I meant "opinions, opinions, opinions".
DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:
... maybe you're just crazy.
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Oops. I don't know if a wink will do.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - May 01 2012 at 17:27
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prog61
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Posted: May 29 2012 at 10:31 |
1) ANIMALS 2) THICK AS A BRICK 3) WISH YOU WERE HERE 4) THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON 5) GODBLUFF
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ole-the-first
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Posted: May 29 2012 at 12:35 |
^a list of my all-time favourites...
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This night wounds time.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: May 29 2012 at 13:59 |
ole-the-first wrote:
^a list of my all-time favourites...
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Ditto. U-u-u-u-uh, I should probably really consider world domination ... .
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moshkito
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Posted: May 29 2012 at 14:12 |
King Winter wrote:
Here are some albums that I find to be overrated :
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That said ... if you are not into it as somebody's top ten list, not a single of these albums will EVER be overrated or underrated. The fact that I heard something, and you didn't or vice-versa is not a good enough criteria to make it over-rated or under-rated. It just makes for more bs talk not only here, but everywhere else!
All in all, there are some albums I prefer over others, but for me to think, and state here that one is better than the other is against my anti-commercialistic stance ... the one that tells you what to buy ... so the corporate monster can make more money and the small monkees that we hope will ever get a chance to get heard ... will never have a chance ... and that will likely mean the end of progressive music ... just what you want!
It's your choice, of course.
Funny thing, the one album that tells you the most about being yourself, is one album that someone considers "overrated" ... I guess that one big book is more important to that person than the real thing! And I happen to think that is grossly overrated ... gotta love it ... religion before reality!
Edited by moshkito - May 29 2012 at 15:29
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
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moshkito
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Posted: May 29 2012 at 14:43 |
rushfan4 wrote:
Michael Jackson - Thriller
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I find this sad ... there is a side to this collaboration that is very progressive to ALL music at the time, and made it magnificent, and we're too damn cynical and stuck up on our "definition" to appreciate what Michael did in mixing black and white music ... which in those days was MASSIVE.
For the record, I had seen many concerts, from Earth Wind and Fire, to James Brown, to Little Richard, and many other "black" musicians ... and you want to know something? ... the audience was 95% black! And when you went to see Michael Jackson, it was 50% black ... and the rest all white. Only 10 years earlier a peaceful black man was shot for his revolutionary ideas in America ... that because he had a dream that made sense ... could't happen because of monster politics and people that did not believe in the freedom for those folks and their music!
Of course that doesn't mean anything to you, to understand it at all ... but it makes a lot of progressive music quite ninny-like and stupid ... and definitly overrated and totally off kilter to the boundaries of good taste and way more important human bondage and history that the blacks went through in America! But Progressive "____" doesn't care!
The lack of respect alone, is out of line!!!
There is also a funny comment by Steve Hillage ... "we wanted to go to America and we wanted to play some of that gunky, far out stuff ... and we get there and everyone says ... that's not progressive music ... we didn't care ... I wanted more of that other new stuff I had never heard!"
As usual, we're comparing apples to oranges and of course ... everyone has a different taste every day, and today that orange was sour! But disrespecting a man that pretty much died for having brought together black and white ... is really sad, a total misunderstanding of his music and work. I doubt that you can hear this album ... TODAY ... and appreciate it within a larger context of black music in America ... that achievement was massive and made Stax and Detroit look lke idiots ... he did what they didn't want him to do instead of playing their "black music". On top of it, he revolted against his own!
How's that for a worthless revolution that no one cares about ... and even today ... there are not that many black blands playing solid rock music, or even "progressive" music ... and in the end, that means that there is a lot of soul, rhythm, and blues ... missing in progressive music! And I don't mean "styles" ... I mean feelings!
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Prince - Purple Rain
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A lot of people don't like his attitude and his cocky stuff really bothers men mostly. But what I would do to play in a band like that ... or you! ... it did make for one of the best rock music movies ever made, and the music in it made perfect sense, unlike 95% of all the musicals ever made ... but wtf ...
rushfan4 wrote:
Madonna - Like A Virgin
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You don't want to know what she said about progressive music and your comment ... don't want to hurt your feelings!
rushfan4 wrote:
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i.e. it is pretty damn hard for a prog album to be considered overrated given they aren't even a blip amongst the conciousness of most of the living world. |
Funny ... I like this ... but it's not true. Ask Blobfish about this ... when he was playing Golden Earring and someone in the station interrupted him ... and said ... "it's not rock'n'roll" to which Blobfish stopped the record to a halt ... and said "who gives a damn. It's great music!" and then restarted the piece ... on top of it the name of the piece was "Are You Receiving Me?" ... and I can easily say that a lot of us here are sometimes to dang stuck up ... to just appreciate music and not give a cahoot about sales or any other overrated comment.
I'm not sure that I would want to be a part of that "living world" when it follows an advertisement and goes to the movies when the newspaper that owns it says it is a great movie, and you believe it, and still think that Harry Potter or any of the big hero films ... are all great! As John Lennon used to say ... middle class heroes ... and with the exception of Michael Jackson, none of the others deserve to be mentioned, or need be discussed.
Edited by moshkito - May 29 2012 at 15:25
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tszirmay
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Posted: May 29 2012 at 14:46 |
Opinions are overrated, comments are overrated, YOU ARE ALL OVERRATED ! (Al Pacino voice LOL) , overrating is overrated ! Read this progressively louder , its not overarated.
The only place where over-eating is secure is a AYCE (All you can eat) buffet a la Golden Corral!
This thread will give one heartburn abd acid reflux !
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I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: May 29 2012 at 15:01 |
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moshkito
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 10:53 |
It's a bit of a shame that perspective ... is not something that is important to our life and understanding of things ... no ... the you like/I like/ and any other subjective idea is always more important.
I find it even sadder, that you quote Florian behind your note ... when, if there was one honest and totally with it person, that knew the difference, he was one of them!
The shame ... the horror ... the horror!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
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rogerthat
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 11:29 |
moshkito wrote:
I find this sad ... there is a side to this collaboration that is very progressive to ALL music at the time, and made it magnificent, and we're too damn cynical and stuck up on our "definition" to appreciate what Michael did in mixing black and white music ... which in those days was MASSIVE.
For the record, I had seen many concerts, from Earth Wind and Fire, to James Brown, to Little Richard, and many other "black" musicians ... and you want to know something? ... the audience was 95% black! And when you went to see Michael Jackson, it was 50% black ... and the rest all white. Only 10 years earlier a peaceful black man was shot for his revolutionary ideas in America ... that because he had a dream that made sense ... could't happen because of monster politics and people that did not believe in the freedom for those folks and their music!
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I admire Michael Jackson's flair for music but I DO NOT respect his white-ification of funk or Whitney Houston's white-ification of R&B. He was ashamed of his colour and he also just wanted to be a superstar. Music was a suitable vehicle for this, given his talent in that direction. Stevie Wonder was somebody who actually did something to bring R&B closer to the white mainstream without compromising his beliefs and values. He stood for black emancipation all through. Jackson just sold out. It's no wonder that nobody takes R&B seriously anymore since then because he watered it down irreparably.
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colorofmoney91
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 12:23 |
Everything is always overrated.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 12:47 |
moshkito wrote:
It's a bit of a shame that perspective ... is not something that is important to our life and understanding of things ... no ... the you like/I like/ and any other subjective idea is always more important.
I find it even sadder, that you quote Florian behind your note ... when, if there was one honest and totally with it person, that knew the difference, he was one of them!
The shame ... the horror ... the horror! |
I have no clue what you are talking about. What was the former perspective you mentioned? And that's not a quote by Florian, but by Daniel. Then you say "if there was one person totally honest" with what? The quote? How is the quote relevant? And knew what difference?
You want to write a post, finish your thoughts.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - May 30 2012 at 13:39
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