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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2011 at 12:26

Most of Yes's lyrics have never made sense to me at all. But I still love the hell out of them.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2011 at 13:34
The new Opeth album (which is now streaming on NPR - check it out) has some of the most atrocious lyrics ever sung. "Hey you, will you be true? Feel the pain, in your brain, insaaaannnneee..." Dead That's just one example of many. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2011 at 13:50
Originally posted by Jake Kobrin Jake Kobrin wrote:

The new Opeth album (which is now streaming on NPR - check it out) has some of the most atrocious lyrics ever sung. "Hey you, will you be true? Feel the pain, in your brain, insaaaannnneee..." Dead That's just one example of many. 

Yeah, I particularly liked GOD IS DEAAAAAAAAD in the first track. Don't strain yourself with all those deep thoughts, Mikael.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2011 at 20:49
In answer to the OP:
 
Yes and at the same time, a resounding no.
What I mean by this is, yes some prog has awful lyrics, but no more or less than any other genre/style/generic grouping around.
 
There is some highly lyrical rap and hip hop as there is some utter tripe in those styles.
 
Plus what I think is a good lyric you may think is terrible.
 
 
So yes and no is my answer.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2011 at 08:04
I really don't get the original post. Sure, some prog has crappy lyrics, but have you ever listened to a random sampling of lyrics from other rock or pop genres? "Baby baby baby love me all night long I got what you need keep it up till morning blah blah blah." Give a dose of Yes's poetic ramblings any day, to say noting of the coherency and beauty of Misplaced Childhood, Subeterranea, The Visitor, Snow, or ... I could go on at length.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2011 at 23:54
I've thought this many a time. Like most of Nursery Cryme. Or sometimes it just sounbds corny or pretentious.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 25 2011 at 01:14
I think many prog lyrics are much, much better than what you get in most pop songs. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 25 2011 at 01:28
Originally posted by Kashmir75 Kashmir75 wrote:

I think many prog lyrics are much, much better than what you get in most pop songs. 

I'd certainly have to agree!  Besides the typical suspects (Gabriel, various Andersons etc.) there are many prog lyricists who don't receive as much recognition as they should. 

My favorite of the unknown bunch would be the amazing David Cousins of the Strawbs!  Here's a cheerful Christmas Greeting from the gang, and all of their lyrics are contained within (I'm very fond of "The Life Auction" among others)



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2012 at 11:18
The problem may be this:  when the music is ambitious- or  bombastic-  the lyrics have to have a similar stature. If the lyrics are the same banal stuff as in any pop song, then the incongruity is noticeable. We expect more of the words.  It is also the case that trying to elevate the lyrics to a more serious and lofty stature may have some bad/silly results.  I think the new Yes album has some of this problem.  Foreign bands singing in English seem to be especially susceptible in my opinion.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2012 at 15:11
Poor lyrics? Hardly... Jason Byron (maudlin of the Well, Kayo Dot), Rodger Waters (Pink Floyd) are both incredible lyricists. Steven Wilson (Porcupine Tree, No-Man, etc.) has a few duds, but overall, he is quite poetic. At times, Steven Wilson is such an utter sonic genius, I am in awe. The words flow so well, your tongue tingles as you say them. I don't have a clue what Peter Nicholls (IQ) is talking about, but have you ever heard more beautiful nonsense? And then there's Peter Hamill... Come on... Come Ooooon Wink


Examples:

"An electric curent binds us together forever
I am a memory burnt onto thin air

When you call me with vibrations
In harmony with some Saturnine frequency
I spill outward, or flow, or list, or gel

It is somewhere between your mind and mine
Where, I cannot exactly tell
I want you to think about "93"

It isn't like planting a thought in your head
Or an image of a thought
But more like creating a thought
In sympathy with yours

The blind need to see
The deaf need to hear
We need to speak
I love you"

"A phantom blade in the gathering shade
A breeze in the hallway
Tomorrow it may rain again
I will not leave and
Nothing will be disturbed"

"And after a while, you can work on points for style
Like the club tie, and the firm handshake
A certain look in the eye and an easy smile
You have to be trusted by the people that you lie to
So that when they turn their backs on you
You'll get the chance to put the knife in"

"I had a dream.
Good-bye Max.
Good-bye Ma.
After the service when you're walking slowly to the car
And the silver in her hair shines in the cold November air
You hear the tolling bell
And touch the silk in your lapel
And as the tear drops rise to meet the comfort of the band
You take her frail hand
And hold on to the dream."

"Sullen and bored the kids stay
And in this way they wish away each day…
Stoned in the mall the kids play
And in this way wish away each day…

I don’t really know
If I care what is normal"

"I still wave at the dots on the shore
And I still beat my head against the door
I still rage and wage my little war
I'm a shade and easy to ignore"

"Who'll defy me now
And chase the lightning all to soon
What kind of mercy will you gain
Under the shadow of the moon"

"The only thing I want
Is taken out and rained upon
Heart beaten down
No surrender to the sacred sound

Light shatters the skeleton circus
And the carnival's deadly host
No memory nothing remembered
From the pages of the book of ghosts
Though the system stays in place
What if I'm no longer safe"

"Here at the glass - all the usual problems,
all the habitual farce.
You ask, in uncertain voice, what you should do
as if there were a choice
but to carry on miming the song
and hope that it all works out right.
Tonight it all seems so strange -
my spirit feels rigid,
my body deranged;
still that's only from one point of view
and we can't have illusion between me and you,
my constant friend, ever close at hand -
you and the undercover man."

"There's a house with no door and I'm living there
at nights it gets so cold
and the days are hard to bear inside.
There's a house with no roof, so the rain creeps in,
falling through my head as I try to think out time.
I don't know you, you say you know me,
that may be so,
there's so much that I am unsure of ...
You call my name, but it sounds unreal,
I forget how I feel, my body's rejecting the cure."

Edit: Some of the "Dogs" lyrics were written by David Gilmore, and some of "Laboratories of the Invisible World" were written by Toby Driver



Edited by DreamInSong - January 11 2012 at 15:18
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2012 at 15:33
Originally posted by Stevo Stevo wrote:

The problem may be this:  when the music is ambitious- or  bombastic-  the lyrics have to have a similar stature. If the lyrics are the same banal stuff as in any pop song, then the incongruity is noticeable. We expect more of the words.  It is also the case that trying to elevate the lyrics to a more serious and lofty stature may have some bad/silly results.  I think the new Yes album has some of this problem.  Foreign bands singing in English seem to be especially susceptible in my opinion.
 
Very true. All in all I think we can not complain of poor lyrics in prog, as many have said, generally and comparatively speaking prog has pretty decent lyrics.
 
Another thing is vocalist. There have been a few great prog singers but generally speaking prog bands struggle to have good singers, I suspect that the main reason is that for an instrumentalist wanting to challenge a higher-level playing he has to move to prog, or classical, or jazz-rock etc. Nobody will feel a big difference in the pop music world.
 
On the other hand a good singer can show his/her talent in the pop environment and on top make much more money (think of George Michael for an example). So (although I surely do not want to generalise) good singers go to pop and good instrumentalists wanting recognition go to prog, jazz, etc (besides those who are happy being session musicians for anybody who pays good enough).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2012 at 18:15
Her name was Pat,
and we sat
under a treeeee
She kissed meeee~

(Not being hateful, I love that song. I'm just saying.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2012 at 15:35
Originally posted by prog058 prog058 wrote:

This could also be called the Fish appreciation thread.


Damn right, that man knows how to turn a phrase, he understands the power words can have. My other favourite would have to be Peter Hammill. Still life for example, I went and printed out at the library, just because I liked it so much. It really is like poetry, which is especially clear when it's laid out on the page as such.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2012 at 16:00
Originally posted by ScorchedFirth ScorchedFirth wrote:

Originally posted by prog058 prog058 wrote:

This could also be called the Fish appreciation thread.


Damn right, that man knows how to turn a phrase, he understands the power words can have. My other favourite would have to be Peter Hammill. Still life for example, I went and printed out at the library, just because I liked it so much. It really is like poetry, which is especially clear when it's laid out on the page as such.


I think you misread the intent of the comment you quoted.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2012 at 16:49
Really, I think this thread is unfairly targetting prog lyrics. It is far simpler and more to the point to say that rock music, and pop songs in general, contain inane lyrics. offhand, I can think of relatively few prog songs that have lyrics as sophomoric as the following:
 
Oh oh oh oh oh oh
You don't have to go oh oh oh oh oh
You don't have to go oh oh oh oh oh
You don't have to go

Ay ay ay ay ay ay
All those tears I cry ay ay ay ay ay
All those tears I cry ay ay ay ay ay
Baby please don't go.

When I read the letter you wrote
It made me mad mad mad
When I read the news that it brought me
It made me sad sad sad
But I still love you so, I can't let you go
I love you- ooh baby I love you

Oh oh oh oh oh oh
Every breath I take oh oh oh oh oh
Every move I make oh oh oh oh oh
Baby please don't go

Ay ay ay ay ay ay
You hurt me to my soul ay ay ay ay ay
You hurt me to my soul ay ay ay ay ay
Darling please don't go....



Edited by The Dark Elf - May 28 2012 at 17:14
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2012 at 17:07
Just a friendly warning, but there is a rule against posting full lyrics in the forum.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2012 at 17:15
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Just a friendly warning, but there is a rule against posting full lyrics in the forum.
But if I edit out all the oh's and ay's the song will only be 30 seconds long. Wink
 
p.s. I edited out the last few stanzas.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2012 at 17:19
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Just a friendly warning, but there is a rule against posting full lyrics in the forum.
But if I edit out all the oh's and ay's the song will only be 30 seconds long. Wink
 
p.s. I edited out the last few stanzas.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2012 at 17:20
What the hell is wrong with a solid Roy Orbison single?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2012 at 17:24
Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

What the hell is wrong with a solid Roy Orbison single?
 
I give up, Al. What the hell is wrong with a solid Roy Orbison single?
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