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Posted: May 24 2012 at 22:12
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
You really want to get Todd Rundgren's "Wizard and a True Star" ... the wizard side is all craziness and fun and synths running a muck! ... the other side has no synth whatsoever ... I'll have to double check that, btw!
A couple of other things ... Larry Fast's solo albums ... Nektar's "Recycled" with Larry Fast on the synths ... Genesis The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway ... and if you get bored ... you really want to get M. Frogg's first album for a lesson in all the fun things you can do and say with an analog synth, including some swear words when you are bored! I would also include Emerson, Lake and Palmer's first 4 albums or so.
For some more hardcore stuff you really want to try the early Klaus Schulze stuff, Agitation Free, and that whole family of folks, the Berlin Factory as they are called.
M. Frog... of course. How'd I not remember that. I'm assuming you mean the album M.Frog by Jean Labat. I havent heard it in ages, I'm gonna pull it out this weekend, thanks for the reminder.
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Posted: May 25 2012 at 12:08
thanks to everyone. seems like Camel is an anomaly :) really liking Wobbler. White Willow has some moments, but not a fan of the vocals. thanks for the vids too.
Good suggestions! I just recently went back and listened to both Trace and Triumvirat within the past month or so... they didn't hold up as well as I'd remembered. Actually, they sounded great for a little while, but they didn't hold my attention as long. Maybe I'm just old and jaded.
The mention of Larry Fast brought to mind his really cool "Prog 101 Lecture" at the very first NEARFest. I thought that was a really cool idea... and a way to give our ears a break from the all-day music assault.
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Posted: May 29 2012 at 13:27
The_Jester wrote:
Why don't you mention YES! Rick Wakeman is a moog wizard!
He deserves some credit, as he was playing a lot of different things and making good use of his ability.
But really ... you take the cape ... and the bleach blond hair out, and you really think anyone will give a damn?
Washed out versions of Grieg, or any other classical composer are a dime a dozen in the keyboard world in rock music and there are far better and more competent keyboard players than some spoiled rich kid. But yeah, his albums are all those analog things ... wasted in my book!
Edited by moshkito - May 29 2012 at 13:49
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Posted: May 29 2012 at 13:48
richardh wrote:
^ definitely worth checking out .I would also mention The Tomita Planets (my personal favourite interpretation of Holst's Planets Suite)
His best, is, without any doubts, "Snowflakes are Dancing", which is all DEBUSSY and it still is a special classic music album that he will never own or be able to remaster or re-release.
My favorite of his, is the Firebird Suite ... and when it is done Guy Guden style it is even better ... but you have never heard that!
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Posted: May 30 2012 at 10:03
Flyingsod wrote:
M. Frog... of course. How'd I not remember that. I'm assuming you mean the album M.Frog by Jean Labat. I havent heard it in ages, I'm gonna pull it out this weekend, thanks for the reminder.
The album cover, also has the first representations shown of what eventually became a part of every DAW out there ... and this one was the first version of what became Cakewalk, by the way! Todd Rungren was originally involved with them until they got so big that they could no longer give him anything except a kick in the pants!
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Posted: June 04 2012 at 11:38
moshkito wrote:
richardh wrote:
^ definitely worth checking out .I would also mention The Tomita Planets (my personal favourite interpretation of Holst's Planets Suite)
His best, is, without any doubts, "Snowflakes are Dancing", which is all DEBUSSY and it still is a special classic music album that he will never own or be able to remaster or re-release.
My favorite of his, is the Firebird Suite ... and when it is done Guy Guden style it is even better ... but you have never heard that!
Firebird is great indeed. Never been to a classical concert but if I did it would have to include that.
I suppose to complete the RCA set of albums then Kosmos should be mentioned if only The Sea Named ''Solaris'' where he took some artistic licence with JS Bach and also a nice version of Grieg's Peer Gynt which I mention as I was in Bergen last week doing some Fjord visiting.
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Posted: June 05 2012 at 12:21
richardh wrote:
^ definitely worth checking out .I would also mention The Tomita Planets (my personal favourite interpretation of Holst's Planets Suite)
You really have to have a friendly feeling and attention/affection for classical music, and this version is magnificent and probably one of the best ever done out there, when all is said and done.
But, in general, Tomita's versions are very faithful to the spirit of the music, and added some atmospherics to it, that the classical music versions do not have. And it makes the music full'er (is that a word?) than otherwise for my ears.
As a side story, my dad was a very avid classical music listener and very well rounded in its history. He was well known for having created the Comparative Literature field at the UC systems. And he was fairly cool as an "intelectual" in his field. So I played that for him, and he did not like it a whole lot and dismissed it. So I trashed him for being a snob and not accepting a modern version doen with the "instrument of today". And I left home. So mom tells me that he listened to it attently the next evening and sat there and then made the comment ... that's actually very well done and very pretty. It was well defined and designed with the instruments. I had never heard or thought that the synthesizer could do so much. Later I explained to him that rock music was stretching the synthesizer a lot, however I also told him that the synthesizer was becoming a replacement for the orchestra with everyone learning how to do different instruments on it, rather than use an orchestra! And while I appreciated Vangelis (so did my father!), that sometimes, it made things tougher to appreciate, from a purist point of view.
He had been familiar with Heineman, Stockhausen and some of those folks whose synthesizer work, we will NEVER listen to here or discuss, and did not imagine that the synthesizer could do anything else. So, by that time I already had Terri Riley and Beaver & Krause and his comment ... no wonder Stanley Kubrick used electronics in 2001! I had to joke with him that Kubrick didn't like music and that is why he used it! And Clockwork Orange came up immediately and it was a film I did not care for and the music in it was just as bad! He actually agreed, and thought the music was just as cold and off the rocker as the film was!
Times are interesting ... things change ... and music moves on ... but the early synthesizer pioneers were interested in experimenting with the sounds. The german folks that were "classical" were using an idea that was out there and no one related to it, and most still don't -- except Lou Reed and Metallica for an album each! The rest, the Berlin Factory (where New, Agitation Free, Tangerine Dream et al came from), ended up doing all kinds of different things with it, and making it sound even better and stronger.
Today, "synthesizer" means that an orchestra is not necessary!
Edited by moshkito - June 05 2012 at 12:22
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Posted: June 05 2012 at 12:25
richardh wrote:
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I suppose to complete the RCA set of albums then Kosmos should be mentioned if only The Sea Named ''Solaris'' where he took some artistic licence with JS Bach and also a nice version of Grieg's Peer Gynt which I mention as I was in Bergen last week doing some Fjord visiting.
I think, that the Red Seal ones from the RCA, are, basically, the same as remastered series, or a much higher quality of recording than the average at the time.
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Posted: June 05 2012 at 13:35
moshkito wrote:
richardh wrote:
^ definitely worth checking out .I would also mention The Tomita Planets (my personal favourite interpretation of Holst's Planets Suite)
You really have to have a friendly feeling and attention/affection for classical music, and this version is magnificent and probably one of the best ever done out there, when all is said and done.
But, in general, Tomita's versions are very faithful to the spirit of the music, and added some atmospherics to it, that the classical music versions do not have. And it makes the music full'er (is that a word?) than otherwise for my ears.
As a side story, my dad was a very avid classical music listener and very well rounded in its history. He was well known for having created the Comparative Literature field at the UC systems. And he was fairly cool as an "intelectual" in his field. So I played that for him, and he did not like it a whole lot and dismissed it. So I trashed him for being a snob and not accepting a modern version doen with the "instrument of today". And I left home. So mom tells me that he listened to it attently the next evening and sat there and then made the comment ... that's actually very well done and very pretty. It was well defined and designed with the instruments. I had never heard or thought that the synthesizer could do so much. Later I explained to him that rock music was stretching the synthesizer a lot, however I also told him that the synthesizer was becoming a replacement for the orchestra with everyone learning how to do different instruments on it, rather than use an orchestra! And while I appreciated Vangelis (so did my father!), that sometimes, it made things tougher to appreciate, from a purist point of view.
He had been familiar with Heineman, Stockhausen and some of those folks whose synthesizer work, we will NEVER listen to here or discuss, and did not imagine that the synthesizer could do anything else. So, by that time I already had Terri Riley and Beaver & Krause and his comment ... no wonder Stanley Kubrick used electronics in 2001! I had to joke with him that Kubrick didn't like music and that is why he used it! And Clockwork Orange came up immediately and it was a film I did not care for and the music in it was just as bad! He actually agreed, and thought the music was just as cold and off the rocker as the film was!
Times are interesting ... things change ... and music moves on ... but the early synthesizer pioneers were interested in experimenting with the sounds. The german folks that were "classical" were using an idea that was out there and no one related to it, and most still don't -- except Lou Reed and Metallica for an album each! The rest, the Berlin Factory (where New, Agitation Free, Tangerine Dream et al came from), ended up doing all kinds of different things with it, and making it sound even better and stronger.
Today, "synthesizer" means that an orchestra is not necessary!
I wish my Dad had some proper appreciation for music. He likes smooth radio so he can have a nap.We get on great but don't have any discussions about music thats for sure (perhaps a good thing)
I didn't much like the syntheiser at first and found J M Jarre boring but then Emerson and Wakeman awakened my interest (bombast ). From there I sort of found my way to Tomita.Jarre,Vangelis etc although I havn't really explored much further. I love Tangerine Dream probably far too much even some of the later stuff. I blame my Dad
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