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HarbouringTheSoul 
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 Posted: May 19 2012 at 09:10 |
 dtguitarfan wrote:
Did you hear Learning to Live? I think it is one of the most fantastic Progressive compositions ever - the keyboardist starts out playing this pattern: 3 3 4 5. When the other band members come in, they are all playing different metres. I can't figure out what the bassist or drummer are doing exactly, though I have tried. However, I can tell you that the guitarist plays a straight 2/4 beat, which makes a pretty funky pattern on top of the keyboardist's 15/8 pattern. |
Actually, Petrucci plays 15/4 over Rudess' 15/8 pattern. He plays only the quarter notes, so it sounds like a straightforward 2/4 or 4/4 rhythm that shifts back and forth over the 15/8 pattern. What's really cool is that before Petrucci comes in, Portnoy's snare clicks do the same: straight quarter notes over the 15/8 pattern. But by the time Petrucci joins in, the drums shift to an actual 15/8 pattern, so the guitar and the drums complement each other's rhythm. This kind of metric shifting is something DT do a lot. Personally, I never heard anything by Van der Graaf Generator, but I'm changing that now.
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dtguitarfan
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Posted: May 19 2012 at 09:13 |
HarbouringTheSoul wrote:
dtguitarfan wrote:
Did you hear Learning to Live? I think it is one of the most fantastic Progressive compositions ever - the keyboardist starts out playing this pattern: 3 3 4 5. When the other band members come in, they are all playing different metres. I can't figure out what the bassist or drummer are doing exactly, though I have tried. However, I can tell you that the guitarist plays a straight 2/4 beat, which makes a pretty funky pattern on top of the keyboardist's 15/8 pattern. |
Actually, Petrucci plays 15/4 over Rudess' 15/8 pattern. He plays only the quarter notes, so it sounds like a straightforward 2/4 or 4/4 rhythm that shifts back and forth over the 15/8 pattern. What's really cool is that before Petrucci comes in, Portnoy's snare clicks do the same: straight quarter notes over the 15/8 pattern. But by the time Petrucci joins in, the drums shift to an actual 15/8 pattern, so the guitar and the drums complement each other's rhythm. This kind of metric shifting is something DT do a lot.
Personally, I never heard anything by Van der Graaf Generator, but I'm changing that now.
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Dude...you know what we need? We need a thread somewhere to discuss these cool compound time signature things! Where would someone put such a thread, or is there one already? I know I'm always trying to figure out the time signature in things I listen to, and sometimes I just can't get it and eventually I just give up and enjoy the piece for what it is.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: May 19 2012 at 09:14 |
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^Moore, not Rudess
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Snow Dog
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Posted: May 19 2012 at 09:16 |
dtguitarfan wrote:
HarbouringTheSoul wrote:
dtguitarfan wrote:
Did you hear Learning to Live? I think it is one of the most fantastic Progressive compositions ever - the keyboardist starts out playing this pattern: 3 3 4 5. When the other band members come in, they are all playing different metres. I can't figure out what the bassist or drummer are doing exactly, though I have tried. However, I can tell you that the guitarist plays a straight 2/4 beat, which makes a pretty funky pattern on top of the keyboardist's 15/8 pattern. |
Actually, Petrucci plays 15/4 over Rudess' 15/8 pattern. He plays only the quarter notes, so it sounds like a straightforward 2/4 or 4/4 rhythm that shifts back and forth over the 15/8 pattern. What's really cool is that before Petrucci comes in, Portnoy's snare clicks do the same: straight quarter notes over the 15/8 pattern. But by the time Petrucci joins in, the drums shift to an actual 15/8 pattern, so the guitar and the drums complement each other's rhythm. This kind of metric shifting is something DT do a lot.
Personally, I never heard anything by Van der Graaf Generator, but I'm changing that now.
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Dude...you know what we need? We need a thread somewhere to discuss these cool compound time signature things! Where would someone put such a thread, or is there one already? I know I'm always trying to figure out the time signature in things I listen to, and sometimes I just can't get it and eventually I just give up and enjoy the piece for what it is.
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There are quite a few
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silcir
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Posted: May 19 2012 at 09:51 |
Yes - Tormatoe, or any thing after Drama, though i'm aware of the hits.. King Crimson - everything after Red, though im aware of the 3 pairs song. Genesis - From genesis to revelation, and everything after wind & wuthering, which now that i think of it, i never heard all of it as well, i listen usually to one for the vine, because of the instrumental section.^ ^ Gentle Giant - civilization or whatever its called. Van der Graaf - the first album Jethro tull - The 80's albums Zeppelin's last album
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Fox On The Rocks
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Posted: May 19 2012 at 11:31 |
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Just realized I have never heard Mike Oldfield  |
Ommadawn is what you need my friend.  Quite possibly the most Beautiful album I've ever heard.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: May 19 2012 at 12:15 |
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Which part of "never heard it" is causing you the problem Andrey?  |
I don't get it; what are you aiming at? Never heard almost the entire solo Hackett canon ... except for the aforementioned albums. As in, never heard the rest of "Momentum", never heard "The Bay of Kings", never heard "Till We Have Faces", etc.
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HarbouringTheSoul
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Posted: May 19 2012 at 16:23 |
Snow Dog wrote:
^Moore, not Rudess |
Oops! Of course.
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Dean
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Posted: May 19 2012 at 17:16 |
It's not important, 'twas a small jest - the thread asks for major prog albums you've never heard so said you've never heard ANY of Steve Hacketts albums... then listed his two most MAJOR albums as the ones you have heard. I thought it amusing, evidently you didn't. No big deal. 
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What?
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: May 19 2012 at 17:22 |
^ Totally forgot that they have to be major ones. Oh, well.
On the topic: Never heard anything from Jannick Top, SBB.
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colorofmoney91
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Posted: May 23 2012 at 21:06 |
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I was listening to Eddie Jobson's Theme of Secrets and I realized that I've never listened to anything by UK.
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Fox On The Rocks
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 17:02 |
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Dead Can Dance
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 18:27 |
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Dead Can Dance
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+1.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 20:12 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Fox On The Rocks wrote:
Dead Can Dance
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+1. |
I was with you until about 3 weeks ago when I got Within In Realm Of A Dying Sun. Wonderful band, could well move from "Never Heard" to "Own Everything".
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Gerinski
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Posted: May 25 2012 at 07:23 |
colorofmoney91 wrote:
I was listening to Eddie Jobson's Theme of Secrets and I realized that I've never listened to anything by UK. |
Oh man that's a capital sin, hurry up and listen at least to their debut album or you will die not having known some of the best music ever made 
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irrelevant
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Posted: May 25 2012 at 14:21 |
Gerinski wrote:
colorofmoney91 wrote:
I was listening to Eddie Jobson's Theme of Secrets and I realized that I've never listened to anything by UK. |
Oh man that's a capital sin, hurry up and listen at least to their debut album or you will die not having known some of the best music ever made |
P.S. Danger Money is better than the debut. 
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colorofmoney91
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Posted: May 25 2012 at 18:05 |
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Fox On The Rocks wrote:
Dead Can Dance
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+1. |
I was with you until about 3 weeks ago when I got Within In Realm Of A Dying Sun. Wonderful band, could well move from "Never Heard" to "Own Everything".
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colorofmoney91
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Posted: May 25 2012 at 18:06 |
irrelevant wrote:
Gerinski wrote:
colorofmoney91 wrote:
I was listening to Eddie Jobson's Theme of Secrets and I realized that I've never listened to anything by UK. |
Oh man that's a capital sin, hurry up and listen at least to their debut album or you will die not having known some of the best music ever made |
P.S. Danger Money is better than the debut. |
I might listen to them next time I'm on a prog kick. I've been more into black metal and prog electronic stuff lately.
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prog4evr
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Posted: May 26 2012 at 23:25 |
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The only Pink Floyd albums I have heard in their entirety are DSOTM and Animals - I have never heard any of the others in their entirety. Certain prog lovers say that I am missing something...
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: May 26 2012 at 23:25 |
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You are.
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