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    Posted: May 19 2012 at 19:00
I was just listening to Grace Under Pressure today, and I got to thinking that the classification of Rush's work from 1982's Signals to 1987's Hold Your Fire as the "synthesizer period" is a real myth.  Just about every description you hear of that era describes it as "synthesizer dominated," "drowning in keyboards" or something of the sort, trying to tell us that the guitar was pushed to the background as the keyboards came to define the sound of the music and take the lead in almost every song.  This has never made any sense to me.  Sure, Alex Lifeson had to share the spotlight with some keyboards, but for the most part, the synthesizers were confined to the rhythm section, playing chords, ostinatos, and atmospheric parts.  They emerged into the lead from time to time but Alex still got all the solos and played some brilliant rhythm parts and arpeggios, working with the keys in a masterful way.  If anything, this period was his most tasteful, where his parts might have been a little more sparse, but added to the music that much more, not to mention that he shredded on his solos as much as ever.
 
Does anyone else think this?  I think the 80's contained some of Lifeson's best guitar work, and some of Rush's best material overall.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2012 at 19:23
Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes Ambient Hurricanes wrote:

 I think the 80's contained some of Lifeson's best guitar work, and some of Rush's best material overall.

I agree with this statement.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2012 at 19:26
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2012 at 19:49
 Well I think Alex had some masterful work during this period as did they all. I have to agree with the 80's being a synth dominated period though. Sign o the times maybe but it was what it was. The synth work was a beauty eh? and there was tons of it. The synth dominated the rythm section and to me the rythm section makes the feel of the whole song therefor their songs were synth dominated. Let's also not forget that much of the guitar work utilized a heavily synthesized timber. You don't get guitar sound like that simply by turning everything to 11 like on Presto and the next couple albums. I always remember the tourbook for Hold Your Fire ( which is obviously the acme of thier synth driven era) the section for geddy had a little vignette that included a suicide note that simply read " One synth is too much and a thousand arn't enough."  Fairly telling as thier next album pretty much dropped all hints of synths.
 
 So in short I disagree that the 80's were not synth dominated but mightly agree the guiatar work was still stellar.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2012 at 20:06
Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes Ambient Hurricanes wrote:

 I think the 80's contained some of Lifeson's best guitar work, and some of Rush's best material overall.

I agree with this statement.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2012 at 20:42
Originally posted by Flyingsod Flyingsod wrote:

 Well I think Alex had some masterful work during this period as did they all. I have to agree with the 80's being a synth dominated period though. Sign o the times maybe but it was what it was. The synth work was a beauty eh? and there was tons of it. The synth dominated the rythm section and to me the rythm section makes the feel of the whole song therefor their songs were synth dominated. Let's also not forget that much of the guitar work utilized a heavily synthesized timber. You don't get guitar sound like that simply by turning everything to 11 like on Presto and the next couple albums. I always remember the tourbook for Hold Your Fire ( which is obviously the acme of thier synth driven era) the section for geddy had a little vignette that included a suicide note that simply read " One synth is too much and a thousand arn't enough."  Fairly telling as thier next album pretty much dropped all hints of synths.
 
 So in short I disagree that the 80's were not synth dominated but mightly agree the guiatar work was still stellar.

But Alex still took up a whole lot of the rhythm section.  Listen to Grace Under Pressure; every song (except for Red Lenses) is a guitar showcase.  The keys are there for atmosphere on Distant Early Warning, they merely compliment the rhythm guitar on Afterimage, they split the rhythm section with Alex on Red Sector A, guitar dominates the rhythm section on The Enemy Within and Kid Gloves, and on Between the Wheels, the keys get the main chords on the verses and Alex gets the rest of the song.  The only synthesizer dominated song is Red Lenses.  The other albums have a little bit more synthesizer, but Alex still takes up over half of the rhythm section.  I think it's fair to say that Alex had to share some of his space with the keyboards, but not that the period was dominated by synthesizers.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2012 at 21:08
Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes Ambient Hurricanes wrote:

I was just listening to Grace Under Pressure today, and I got to thinking that the classification of Rush's work from 1982's Signals to 1987's Hold Your Fire as the "synthesizer period" is a real myth.  Just about every description you hear of that era describes it as "synthesizer dominated," "drowning in keyboards" or something of the sort, trying to tell us that the guitar was pushed to the background as the keyboards came to define the sound of the music and take the lead in almost every song.  This has never made any sense to me.  Sure, Alex Lifeson had to share the spotlight with some keyboards, but for the most part, the synthesizers were confined to the rhythm section, playing chords, ostinatos, and atmospheric parts.  They emerged into the lead from time to time but Alex still got all the solos and played some brilliant rhythm parts and arpeggios, working with the keys in a masterful way.  If anything, this period was his most tasteful, where his parts might have been a little more sparse, but added to the music that much more, not to mention that he shredded on his solos as much as ever.
 
Does anyone else think this?  I think the 80's contained some of Lifeson's best guitar work, and some of Rush's best material overall.


Unlike most bands, Rush has almost always been good.  I'd say Peart was the weakest in the 80s, while Lee was the strongest.  Lifeson has been consistent throughout.

But so what.  Rush is amazing, whether we are discussing trees or bones.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2012 at 21:27
I don't think that period was dominated by synth and alex was pushed aside. They definitely shared the space, alex was not an only child anymore. But to say it was some of his best work? NO NO NO.
Their 80's stuff is good but uncomparable to the 70's.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2012 at 21:51
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Unlike most bands, Rush has almost always been good. 
 
That's what I love about them, almost every other band has at least a few duds, but I can't think of a single Rush song, let along an album, that I don't enjoy.
 
EDIT:  There I go, confusing objective and subjective again Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2012 at 22:04
Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes Ambient Hurricanes wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:


Unlike most bands, Rush has almost always been good. 
 
That's what I love about them, almost every other band has at least a few duds, but I can't think of a single Rush song, let along an album, that I don't enjoy.
 
EDIT:  There I go, confusing objective and subjective again Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2012 at 22:06
Incidentally, one of the first songs I learned by Rush was "Show Don't Tell" (both on bass and guitar).  Very fun to play even now.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2012 at 22:08
^^Rush is objectively a great band, and Vapor Trails is objectively a masterpiece, nasal vocals, muddy production, and all.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2012 at 22:08
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Incidentally, one of the first songs I learned by Rush was "Show Don't Tell" (both on bass and guitar).  Very fun to play even now.
 
How long did it take to learn the bass solo?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2012 at 22:10
After Hemispheres, I would say Vapor Trails is their second best.  "Earthshine" and "Secret Touch" and "The Stars Look Down" and...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2012 at 22:12
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

After Hemispheres, I would say Vapor Trails is their second best.  "Earthshine" and "Secret Touch" and "The Stars Look Down" and...

wowee


 
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No album has ever sounded like it, before or since.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2012 at 22:12
Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes Ambient Hurricanes wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Incidentally, one of the first songs I learned by Rush was "Show Don't Tell" (both on bass and guitar).  Very fun to play even now.
 
How long did it take to learn the bass solo?


Well, the bass solo to "Show Don't Tell" is rather easy, I'd say.  I picked up the whole song (guitar and bass) in about a week of casual practice (ten years ago...wow where did the time go?).  "YYZ" is much more fun to play though.  Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2012 at 22:14
OK, okay

Since we are fans, how about this:

Worst Rush album?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2012 at 22:15
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes Ambient Hurricanes wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Incidentally, one of the first songs I learned by Rush was "Show Don't Tell" (both on bass and guitar).  Very fun to play even now.
 
How long did it take to learn the bass solo?


Well, the bass solo to "Show Don't Tell" is rather easy, I'd say.  I picked up the whole song (guitar and bass) in about a week of casual practice (ten years ago...wow where did the time go?).  "YYZ" is much more fun to play though.  Big smile
 
Geddy has a knack for making things sound more difficult than they really are, doesn't he?
 
I learned 2112 (the first 2 parts) in about a week or so, I need to brush up on that one because it would be a great cover for my band (if I could sing it...Ermm)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2012 at 22:16
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

OK, okay

Since we are fans, how about this:

Worst Rush album?
 
The debut.  Here Again is great, though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2012 at 22:17
Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes Ambient Hurricanes wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes Ambient Hurricanes wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Incidentally, one of the first songs I learned by Rush was "Show Don't Tell" (both on bass and guitar).  Very fun to play even now.
 
How long did it take to learn the bass solo?


Well, the bass solo to "Show Don't Tell" is rather easy, I'd say.  I picked up the whole song (guitar and bass) in about a week of casual practice (ten years ago...wow where did the time go?).  "YYZ" is much more fun to play though.  Big smile
 
Geddy has a knack for making things sound more difficult than they really are, doesn't he?
 
I learned 2112 (the first 2 parts) in about a week or so, I need to brush up on that one because it would be a great cover for my band (if I could sing it...Ermm)


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