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rushfan4 
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I am 41 and also share many similiarities. The first two rock albums that I owned were Def Leppard's Pyromania and Quiet Riot's Metal Health (Christmas presents). The firm record that I bought with my own money was Judas Priest's British Steel. We had a radio station that played top 40 music and basically spent the entire day counting down from 40 to 1 and starting over again, so the same songs got played over and over again. I remember Owner Of A Lonely Heart and Tom Sawyer being part of this group. I didn't really care for either of those songs. I remember really liking DL and QR from above, and Foreigner, and Styx's Mr. Roboto. Probably one of my favorite songs from that period of time was Golden Earring's Twilight Zone.
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Roland113
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Zuma,
Great post, we share a lot of similarities, I just turned 40 a few months ago. The first album that I bought with my own money was Genesis (the shapes album). I'll do a similar history over the weekend or something.
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zumacraig
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Roland, good post. kind of gave me an idea. maybe we could share our 'listening' history. i'll put mine down. feel free to ignore
 i grew up around music as my parents were professional church musicians. basically classical and choral. i remember 70s AM radio and my mom playing Bee Gees all the time. i remember telling my mom that the eagles and blondie were my favorite. i think i had just seen them on tv. 1982, i started paying attention to the radio. top 40 in the early 80s was not too bad and quite eclectic. totally remember 90125 coming out. loved Leave It. huey lewis, journey, madonna, steve perry, van halen. i also knew of rush as this older kid up the street had the name written on everything he owned. 1983-87 started buying music. first record was jump by VH. i think i bought purple rain, a bunch of early hair band stuff. totally listened to the radio but was totally disenchanted with the sound and infiltration of dance pop. of course, genesis and bruce springsteen were played to death. 1988-discovered beatles and the who! i listened to that stuff so much. i really can't listen much these days. i also started schooling myself on basic classic rock by listening to those stations rather than top 40. ironically, i did not like Yes at this point. Tommy and Revovler became favorites. i also enjoyed some rush i heard on the radio and got to see them on the presto tour for my first concert! of course i had a zeppelin phase here and got into pink floyd. Early 90s-still loved classic rock, but was playing in an acoustic band. we were all into CSN, neil young, and indigo girls. i loved indigo girls so much. can't listen now, but i basically learned how to play acoustic by watching them. i also got into the dead and Phish at this point. that's all i listened too...grateful dead, phish. saw many many shows. one anomaly was smashing pumpkins siamese dream. i loved that album for some reason. produced so well. i basically explored every kind of music since college from funk to jazz to hip hop to fusion to jam bands to classical to power pop to avant gard to post rock. i'm definitely one of those well rounded music lovers. you know one when you meet one. i know so much useless sh*t about music. around 2001 a new friend started schooling me in classic and new prog. didn't take long til i was a yes fan among others. still great friends with this guy and we still are finding obscure proggy stuff to listen to. i've found that as i near 40 i've settled into a small list of genres and artists. i spent years trying to 'get' everything and make mix tapes and play lists and going digital and going vinyl. whatever. i've realized i like to listen to music in the context of albums. so, i'm back to CDs and pretty much enjoy classic rock, classic prog, the big three singer/songwriters (neil young, dylan, springsteen), grateful dead, new prog, and some alt. country. favorite bands below. i just think that if something good is out there, it will come to me. i'm a bit tired of looking and am content with my old buddies! 3rd Wave: TFK, SB. DT Classic Prog: Yes, Rush, Pink Floyd 70s: CSN, Neil Young, Eagles Jazz: Pat Metheny Alt. Country: Wilco, Son Volt, Gillian Welch Grateful Dead: they have their own category ;-) again, feel free to ignore. however, i'd love to hear others' stories.
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Posted: May 03 2012 at 08:07 |
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The last couple of pages have made fascinating reading. If anybody's interested here's my tuppence ha'penny.
Anglagard - never heard 'em tbh. I fancy their cds but have you seen the price? Seriously.
King Crimson - I struggle a little with 'em. The first 2 albums are good and I like Islands. I remember hearing the mid 80s stuff back in the day and was totally unimpressed, p'raps I'd feel differently now, though I doubt it. FSOL covered Thrak on their classic Lifeforms album though and Fripp appeared on that so I give kudos there.
VDGG - I like all of 2 songs by them, Theme One and Killer. Other than that, it's a big thumbs down from me.
DT - for me the best prog metal band I've heard. Loved BC+SL, also a very big fan of 6DOIT, SFAM and Awake in particular. I've seen them in concert a few times in the last 3 years and they are great live.
Opeth - Deliverance, Blackwater Park and Ghost Reveries are brilliant. I'm more 50/50 about the latest album.
DSOTM - a timeless classic that I never tire of listening to. And yes, it's definitely prog as I've been telling Barney for the last 30 years!!!
Generally, outside prog I love IDM/electronica, ambient, trance and electronic music generally. I've explored most genres of "prog" but am not a great fan of jazz, "minimalism" and the more dissonant music in the more extreme genres you'll find here. With so much much music I like to listen to, why waste my time on stuff I patently don't like?
Anyway, rant over.
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Just people have got taste here I think you mean
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Posted: May 03 2012 at 07:42 |
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This is an alternative shred. Just people actually like TFK here.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Posted: May 03 2012 at 07:36 |
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we're gonna hit 200 no problem.
ironically, these last few posts have inspired me to listen to KC!
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good points on KC. i definitely appreciate them and can see how folks can get into them. however, the are not the epitome of prog as i've heard friends say. they do have some good tunes...Larks II, Easy Money, Red, Discipline. unfortunately, there's always some aspect of each album that i just can't get into. i forced myself to get into power to believe. it's pretty good, but the production is just so lifeless. and i'm not a fan of songs that end in avant jazz violin
 i do have the say, in the right mood, i do love some frippy guitar lines. i think DT need to incorporate some of that in their new record..kind of like they did with the obvious nod to Rush on BC&SL. sidenote about KC. i was in a self proclaimed jam band in the mid 90s. we had several folks tell us we sounded like KC mixed with Santana. go figure, none of us even listened to KC.
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^ I've heard that before, the crazy bit that is.
That 'I don't get them' is an over simplification. Red, I absolutely love, I really like 'In the Court . . . ' as well, "The Power to Believe" has some great points as well and there's a song or two on Thrak that I like. On the other hand, I don't understand why 'Lark's Tongue . . . ' is so revered, to me it's mostly noise. Also, I had the unfortunate 'luck' of finding 'Thrakattak' which was awful. I also have 'Discipline' which is mildly compelling though if I'm in a David Byrne mood, I'll just listen to him.
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You guys are crazy. The only King Crimson albums I don't "get" are THRAK and Construktion of Light, and at least the latter has a couple songs I like. Everything else they've done is very good.
I'm a little surprised at the lack of KC appreciation here. The first 2 TFK albums are highly influenced by Bruford-era KC, at least in the vocal delivery by Roine; who thankfully developed his own sound by the time of Stardust and Flower Power. |
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Yeah, I still don't 'get' most of King Crimson.
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i mean that the big 70s prog bands (and pretty much all the great 70s bands) put out subpar post, at times horrible, music in the 80s, 90s, 00s. this had as much to do with the production as with lack of inspiration, zietgiest, etc. that's what i mean by mediocre. some was pop, like genesis. some was just plain bad. the 70s was such an anomoly in time. the best analog production, meeting the new music (unjaded) music business and rock's early age. oh man, to have been 17 in 1971! i know i've written some sweaping opinions above. i usually don't say negative things on the interwebs. however, at times i just get so frustrated with music not being exactly how i want it to be  i'm familiar and have explored all the genres and subgenres except extreme metal. i guess the cool thing about prog is that it's so diverse and what came in the past has been built on by the future bands. there definitely wouldn't be math rock with out KC. prog is a mindset, lots of ideas put together, a type of instrumentation and arranging, and/or something totally progressive and new in the truest sense of the word.
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What you mean by mediocre to sh*t music? You mean it's pop music and not prog? As far as crimson goes... "most of their stuff is noise anyway"? Ok, now that's... hmm.. misleading. I just think that some of you think that PROG is playing +15 minute epics with blasting synth solos, lots of time changes, and resembling a bit the 70s. (no, not clones) You should check the whole spectrum of what prog is and was in the late 60s and 70s, and listen to what can it be now. (math rock, post rock, some electronica, avant-garde, jazzy stuff, minimalism, etc) No offense intended, just a sum-up of my thoughts of reading the last posts.
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what i find interesting about all the dinosaurs is that they have been putting out mediocre to sh*t music 3 times longer than they put out good music. every few years i cycle through trying to find bright spots in the big names post 70s output. it's futile effort.
anyway, no doubt wish you were here is more prog than dark side  as far as crimson goes, they are definitely the litmus test for 'true' prog fans i've experienced. robert fripp is so academic and arrogant. if i ever met him, i'd say...'but you play rock and roll dude'. most of their stuff is noise anyway. i randomly was on a train with a bunch of guitar craft students and they were like a cult of fripp. okay, i don't care for any of wakeman's solo stuff. does anyone really listen to his stuff from the 80s and 90s? he has put out piles and piles of sh*t! another thing that amazes me is how much energy is wasted in producing horrible art! ramble over.
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You're only 5 years older than me I never heard any Wakeman (other than on Yes song played on commercial radio) until well into my late teens. First thing was Journey (forgot to mention that above), and it was another, "loved the music, hated the vocals" thing. It was introduced to me by a friend who was 16 at the time, and he thought it was great! He also introduced me to ELP via Brain Salad Surgery, and Gentle Giant via a cassette of Playing the Fool (which he didn't like, but I grew to love over time). |
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For a lot of us of a certain age (
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I've been afraid to try Wakeman's solo stuff. I have Six Wives, and it's a cool 70's instrumental work with some great solos, but I haven't had the urge to try anything else. I have heard King Aurthur and remember disliking the vocals intensely but thinking the music was pretty good. |
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Actually, I never really thought of Floyd as a prog band at all. More experimental space rock or something, though I guess they mix in other things like pastoral folk, so maybe so. Where I see them as progressive is in their use of the studio and effects to create interesting atmospheres. I suppose though, it has to be said, that they did "progress" from album to album; getting more sophisticated and better at their instruments as they went along (and more cohesive with their lyrics and concepts as well).
Dark Side had a big impression on me in my late teens and early 20's, so I consider it a masterpiece no matter what genre you wan to put it in. I just have heard it so many times I don't think I can ever really enjoy it like I did back then ever again. I agree that Meddle, WYWH and Animals are all better albums though. Meddle is still my favorite Floyd album by far. |
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Not all of them were bad. A lot of them, granted, but not all of them. Criminal Record was excellent, as were King Arthur, Journey, Henry, and No Earthly Connection. I also enjoyed the last one - very proggy.
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Anyway - what is the REAL turkey in terms of the worst CD/Album produced by a certified Prog rock giant....
I go for any of Rick Wakemans - god bothering CD's...really truly fookin awful......
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