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Gerinski

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Posted: May 19 2012 at 05:14

I never heard my girlfriend saying "I like this" when she hears the music I listen to

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Posted: May 19 2012 at 03:58

I haven't listened to any entire prog metal or rio/avant prog album, though I've listened to a stray Dream Theater or Henry Cow track now and then. Besides Marillion I've hardly listened to any Neo-Prog. I haven't listened to any Mike Oldield or Supertramp. I also haven't listend to any RPI outside of PFM. I haven't heard Camel's debut yet either.

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Posted: May 19 2012 at 02:57

Just realized I have never heard Mike Oldfield

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Posted: May 19 2012 at 02:44

Which part of "never heard it" is causing you the problem Andrey?

What?

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Posted: May 19 2012 at 02:13

Never heard any of Steve Hackett's albums except for "Spectral Mornings", "The Voyage of the Acolyte", and 'The Vigil' from "Momentum".

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Posted: May 14 2012 at 18:24

Discipline: "To Shatter All Accord", ... well, the entire catalog.

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Posted: May 05 2012 at 12:02

colorofmoney91 wrote:

I've never heard anything by Atomic Rooster.

Ditto.

In other news: Museo Rosenbach, Ayreon, Atheist, I don't believe I mentioned PT (heard only one song by them), heard an excerpt of a Tool song, then Devin Townsend, heard a few tracks by Kayo Dot, Arrakis by Dun, then Khan, Bubu, haven't heard a lot of stuff by Santana except the hit singles, haven't heard anything by Caravan except for "In the Land of Grey and Pink", heard only a few songs by Marillion, ... stay tuned Big smile

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Posted: May 05 2012 at 09:36

I've never heard anything by Atomic Rooster.

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Posted: May 03 2012 at 07:33

HolyMoly wrote:

I broke my Dream Theater-less streak (not that I was trying to set a record or anything) this past week and finally picked up an album (Scenes from a Memory) and it's a good album. Meaning, it flowed well, had some good musical themes, good dramatic sections of technical wow-ery (though not so many as to seem like showing off), and I even liked the singer, who seems to get a lot of flak even from fans. Didn't make me a fan overnight, but a good album is a good album.

Ah, that's where it starts...you say "well, I'm not in love with them, but it's a good album." Then, at some point you're listening again, and notice one part sounds really funky. You start to try to figure it out, and make a couple connections and then you realize just how hard it is to do what they do.

I love trying to figure out complex metres. This will show you what a crazy fan I am: I found out there was a book of Dream Theater scores, so I bought it to help me figure some of them out. The song "Dance of Eternity" is so complex that even with the book in front of me, I can't count with it. I just have to respect it, haha!

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Posted: May 03 2012 at 06:30

I broke my Dream Theater-less streak (not that I was trying to set a record or anything) this past week and finally picked up an album (Scenes from a Memory) and it's a good album. Meaning, it flowed well, had some good musical themes, some good dramatic sections of technical wow-ery (though not so many as to seem like showing off), and I even liked the singer, who seems to get a lot of flak even from fans. Didn't make me a fan overnight, but a good album is a good album.

Edited by HolyMoly - May 03 2012 at 06:31

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Posted: May 02 2012 at 20:52

ProgBob wrote:

dtguitarfan wrote:

If you didn't make it through the entire album, then you might not have heard the best songs. Did you hear Learning to Live? I think it is one of the most fantastic Progressive compositions ever - the keyboardist starts out playing this pattern: 3 3 4 5. When the other band members come in, they are all playing different metres. I can't figure out what the bassist or drummer are doing exactly, though I have tried. However, I can tell you that the guitarist plays a straight 2/4 beat, which makes a pretty funky pattern on top of the keyboardist's 15/8 pattern.

So I went back to listen to this and I think, fundamentally, perhaps we look for different things in music. Your description above is a clue to this. I have no technical knowledge about music so I couldn't tell you anything about the time signatures being used etc. I know from experience however that I tend to enjoy music that has some element of relative complexity but it has to feel like it is there naturally and be integrated with the rest of what is going on. In the case of this song, I can hear that the band can play and that technical things are going on but they feel like they are bolted on to something which is not substantial enough to take the weight. As I say, I can't back this up with any sort of technical analysis. At the end of the day it comes down to gut feeling and individual taste I guess.

Well, hey man, I think it's awesome that you went back and listened for what I talked about. I mean, it makes me mad when I know I've found something interesting, unique, and special and someone comes along, and without even trying to understand it they just say "I hate it, it sucks." You know? But just the fact that you came back and said you can see why I like it even though you don't is really cool of you.

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Posted: May 02 2012 at 17:26

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Posted: April 30 2012 at 00:27

Fox On The Rocks wrote:

Most of Peter Gabriel's solo discography. I think I've only really listened to Melt and that's about it.

Same here, except that I heard Here Comes the Flood + Solsbury Hill + Shock the Monkey + Red Rain + Sledgehammer.

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Posted: April 29 2012 at 22:16

Fox On The Rocks wrote:

Most of Peter Gabriel's solo discography. I think I've only really listened to Melt and that's about it.

Up, So, and Security are all great.

Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.

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Posted: April 29 2012 at 22:06

Most of Peter Gabriel's solo discography. I think I've only really listened to Melt and that's about it.

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Posted: April 29 2012 at 19:42

A Trick of the Tail

The future's uncertain and the end is always near. - Jim Morrison

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Posted: April 29 2012 at 19:21

Dayvenkirq wrote:

... Gong (except for Camembert Electrique and Gazeuse), Riverside, The Mars Volta, Billy Cobham solo projects, Focus (except for the yodeling on Cracked.com), the album "Marscape", other bands/astists: Opeth, Herbie Hancock solo (except for one song on YouTube; can't remember what its name is), ...

Haven't heard The Mars Volta Cry

PLEASE, start with Deloused and work your way chronologically. It's much better that way. You might lose interest around Bedlam or Octahedron if they don't click with you quickly.

Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.

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Posted: April 29 2012 at 18:14

Epignosis wrote:

dtguitarfan wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

dtguitarfan wrote:

ProgBob wrote:

^That reminds me. I've never heard a whole album by Dream Theater. I tried to listen to Images and Words (I understand that's supposed to be their best/most famous one) but I don't think I made it half way through.

I actually think Scenes From A Memory is their best.

I agree about Scenes from a Memory being their best and I think Images and Words is one of their worst.

Why? Do you dislike the recording quality? The singing? Just curious. This is definitely an opinion that goes against the popular opinion....

I wouldn't know much about popular opinion because I don't use Facebook. Tongue

Instead I write reviews. Wink

Haha, whatever - in any case DT does some of the most creative things they've ever done in Images in Words - see my comments above about Learning to Live.

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Posted: April 29 2012 at 18:10

... Gong (except for Camembert Electrique and Gazeuse), Riverside, The Mars Volta, Billy Cobham solo projects, Focus (except for the yodeling on Cracked.com), the album "Marscape", other bands/artists: Opeth, Herbie Hancock solo (except for one song on YouTube; can't remember what its name is), ...

Edited by Dayvenkirq - April 30 2012 at 18:34

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Posted: April 29 2012 at 17:44

dtguitarfan wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

dtguitarfan wrote:

I actually think Scenes From A Memory is their best.

I agree about Scenes from a Memory being their best and I think Images and Words is one of their worst.

Why? Do you dislike the recording quality? The singing? Just curious. This is definitely an opinion that goes against the popular opinion....

I wouldn't know much about popular opinion because I don't use Facebook. Tongue

Instead I write reviews. Wink

https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays