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Epignosis 
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 Topic: Your Country's Greatest FoePosted: April 15 2012 at 16:09 |
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This article inspired me to open this historical thread:
What individual person- not group nor country- was your nation's greatest foe? Your choice can come from any time period since your nation was established, but that individual must have engaged your country personally and militarily in some manner. |
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Kotro
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 16:22 |
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After careful thinking, I would have to say no individual outsider has been as much a foe as some of our natives.
Edited by Kotro - April 16 2012 at 04:58 |
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Bigger on the inside.
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someone_else
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 16:29 |
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The only greatest foe I can think of engages my country neither personally nor militarily.
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Tuzvihar
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 16:40 |
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Easy. Hitler and Stalin.
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"Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent."
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zappaholic
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 17:49 |
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Posting before someone says Obama.
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"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 17:50 |
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Dick Cheney
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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manofmystery
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 18:02 |
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Hard to pick. Woodrow Wilson, John Maynard Keynes, TR, FDR, Alexander Hamilton, maybe John Marshall. There are a lot, actually.
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Epignosis
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 18:17 |
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I think we can all agree that there were and are internal people whose actions we detest, but I am asking about a militaristic force, not a philosophical or political one. We can have those discussions in the political or Libertarian threads, I think. I wanted this to be a more historical topic. |
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Flyingsod
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 18:34 |
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Being a yankee severely limits my choices here. There's just not that many that have attacked us. I guess I'll have to admit to being ambivalent... between king George and Hitler.
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Epignosis
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 18:35 |
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Oh come on guys. Hitler did not personally attack you. Neither did King George. I'm asking you to consider warriors and generals. Dig a little deeper into history if you must.
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The T
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 18:43 |
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How can someone personally attack a country? You mean someone who was also a warrior? In that case probably some Peruvian guy... I'm not going back to the time of the Incas...
And who would be the US' greatest foe under those terms Robert? Who has personally attacked the US?
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 18:50 |
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^ To me "personally" sounds like a direct attack against a country in speech.
On the topic: I can't choose between Hitler and Napoleon. Napoleon did quite a mess in my country with Barclay-de-Tolly & Co. The babka burned Moscow, for God's sake. On the other hand even if Hitler and Stalin had a Nazi-Soviet non-aggression pact c. 1939 (which explains why in Russia they would say WWII started in 1941, whereas in the States they would say 1939), I wouldn't have been born if that Nazi officer didn't spare my grandmother and her family.
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Epignosis
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 18:55 |
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What I mean is someone who is there in person, attacking the forces of your country.
I don't know the greatest, but examples could be Charles Cornwallis, Benedict Arnold, George Prévost, Robert E. Lee, etc. Note that the requirements do not say someone actually attacked a country- just one that engaged your forces during a particular war. George Washington never went to the UK to take over London, but he was voted Britain's greatest enemy. I hope that clears things up. |
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Andy Webb
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 18:58 |
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stonebeard
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 19:36 |
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Richard Nixon and/or Dick Cheney.
Edited by stonebeard - April 15 2012 at 19:36 |
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Epignosis
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 19:49 |
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The T
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 19:59 |
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 Relax Robert, tomorrow you go back to your students...
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ClemofNazareth
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 20:01 |
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If domestic terror counts I suppose Timothy McVeigh's bombing would rank right up there... |
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"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
Albert Camus |
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iamathousandapples
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 20:11 |
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Group? Religious Zealots. Especially domestic zealots.
A specific person? Er... I'm gonna go with Bin Laden, if only for making a large wild goose chase for throwing large amounts of money away at
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Logan
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 20:14 |
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General Richard Montgomery and Colonel Benedict Arnold, I suppose.
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