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Posted: April 11 2012 at 15:46
He's not going to change the political landscape running under the Libertarian Party flag. By running GOP, he got the guise of a legitimate candidate, receiving legit coverage, being able to participate in debates, and being relevant during this entire primary process.
If he had run libertarian, there's no primary process for him to participate in whilst spreading his message.
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Posted: April 11 2012 at 15:21
Epig: You might be right about the ideological revolution. But that's the long-game and if he's in for the long-game he should be going third party. I think the weak, rotting carcass and terrible PR image of the GOP is not going to do him any favours. A perceived fresh start would help a lot. Paul should be seen as the founder of something but I fear he's going to be remembered as another GOP wacko.
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Posted: April 11 2012 at 10:52
Something sad is that even if Obama screws stays another four years, I don't see much future in the GOP as an alternative even then. Either Paul's message finally makes it to the mainstream (doubtful, with this lovely mainstream media) or we're condemned to a lifetime of democrats, even more so with the demographics changes taking place years after year. Of course, we have all agreed that the current GOP wouldn't be an alternative to the democrats but the same people just a little more market-friendly and a little less gay-friendly.
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Posted: April 11 2012 at 08:26
Textbook wrote:
Sorry Paul crowd, it's over. Paul will never ever ever be given the Republican nominee. Now I'm not speaking ill of Paul. I'd rather see him in the White House than Romney. But he is wasting his time campaigning for a nomination he will never be given.
And Barry Goldwater never won the Presidency.
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
Sorry Paul crowd, it's over. Paul will never ever ever be given the Republican nominee. Now I'm not speaking ill of Paul. I'd rather see him in the White House than Romney. But he is wasting his time campaigning for a nomination he will never be given.
Ah, but there's an even greater prize than the presidency: Ideological revolution. Ron Paul may go away, but the young people he has influenced will not, and they are the future.
I say let the GOP establishment collapse under the weight of its own fraud and team loyalty. I refuse to "get behind the man" the "party" has chosen if he is little different from our current president (and Romney is little different).
If that means four more years of Obama, so be it, because whether or not Democrats and Republicans acknowledge it, they are both big spending charlatans who trample the Constitution they swear to uphold and who deceive a public that is too eager to be deceived.
Whether it's a victory for Republicans or Democrats, it's a loss for America.
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Posted: April 11 2012 at 00:07
Sorry Paul crowd, it's over. Paul will never ever ever be given the Republican nominee. Now I'm not speaking ill of Paul. I'd rather see him in the White House than Romney. But he is wasting his time campaigning for a nomination he will never be given.
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Posted: April 10 2012 at 22:55
The problem now, as it always has been, is the media. They have been declaring it over for a long time now and will continue to dismiss Gingrich and completely ignore Paul. With Paul's huge turnouts at California campaign events this past week maybe he could still make a play at some of the large states coming up, being the only alternative. Standing in his way, of course, is media bias and the republican establishment.
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Posted: April 10 2012 at 22:06
I don't think Romney will give the VP nod to a guy who is pointedly refusing to endorse him.No, Santorum wants to stay well away from Romney because he believes Romney will lose against Obama. In fact, Santorum *wants* Romney to lose against Obama so he can ride up on a white horse in 2016 and see "Told you so. You picked the wrong guy. My turn."
If Santorum runs as his VP, that would be untenable.
Actually, I don't think any of the failed nominees make sensible VP picks. Jon Huntsman would make a good VP I believe but it won't happen because people would freak out to see two Mormons on the ticket. There's been too much mud-slinging between them all anyway. Romney should bring in a fresh face, but not Palin-fresh.
Fingers crossed that Gingrich somehow manages an eleventh hour resurrection. Though the nomination is Romney's, if Gingrich can suddenly rise up to give him a terrible headache just when Romney thought it was safe to go back in the water, it'll provide quite a few chuckles.
You are right about the "quit it if you ever want to work in this town again" motivation.
Santorum guy was just saying, without saying, they are looking to a 2016 run.
Also...the rumors are swirling about a VP nod for Santorum. Which would be pointless IMO. 2012 is not 1960...looks like people don't give a crap anymore about the VP. How many failures have there been of having a "balanced" ticket, or a VP to bring votes from a state/core of voters?
Nah, it's over. I know the media wants to turn to Gingrich and Paul and big them up to keep the drama going
Sorry to disregard the rest, but no First, don't ever say I go along with the media Second, they've minimized Gingrich to the point of ridicule long ago, the only time they bring up his name is linked to "lol when is this guy just gunna drop out?" and he "lives in a fantasy land where he's relevant"
All that is true, but ...the media has already said this is Romney's, the game is over. We know they are not going to "big up" Paul either, and no reason to go into why.
Oh man we all know it's Romney's. It was his before the first vote was ever cast in Iowa.
I'm just curious what the actual people are gunna do. How many conservatives will stay home? How many will turn to who to vet their Romney frustration? Will overall turnout decrease with Santorum out? If so that could be to the benefit of those whacky Paul nots, and there's plenty in the Northeast and West. But yeah don't ever take what I say as hope, Romney is the guy without doubt.
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Posted: April 10 2012 at 17:54
Nah, it's over. I know the media wants to turn to Gingrich and Paul and big them up to keep the drama going and the site hits coming but I don't think it'll take off. Romney is the nominee, end of story. The real issue now is whether what seems to be a general consensus (even some Repubs feel this way, which is why it took so long for Romney to seal the deal) that Obama will crush Romney with a landslide is founded in reality or turns out to be over-confidence.
Looking into more irregularities or just unusual actions taken throughout the GOP primaries.....man there needs to be a call to make these things a lot more open, or just cut the show and go back to having party bosses pick the nominee Blatant fraud in GA and MO. Questions in Maine. Some...unusual actions in Nevada (which could be sincere but we don't know since some votes were closed and info was held back). Iowa was of course a mess, though in the end it seems the rightful winner was called.
What a disaster.
Naturally the road for Romney is clear now but it'll be interesting to see how clear. Sure most will cave and vote Romney (or stay home) but curious how many will turn to the Newt and Paul as the only "anti Romney guys" left.
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Posted: April 10 2012 at 16:20
Apparently two factors in Santorum's decision:
i) It looked like he was going to lose Pennsylvania, his home state, which would've been a PR nightmare.
ii) For some time the GOP elite have been putting pressure on him to GTFO and he was apparently given the "you'll never work in this town again" bit if he insisted on dragging this out and making Romney spend all his money/energy on this instead of Obama.
Nice summary of where we are at the moment (fraud, delegate tampering, real delegate numbers, media deception):
Amazing.
And some want to claim there's no media bias against Paul, just us f**king nuts are living in this fantasy bias world and that he gets no coverage because it's understood "he's a loon and everyone hates him"
Besides the fact that admits he's not getting fair coverage, the fact that this is not really heard about, that videos like that aren't more known are proof enough. Even if it's a conspiracy of fools shouldn't it be reported on?
Of course both parties hate him! Right off the bat the Dems will not want him around...what a weak excuse.
Ugh...I can go on but I'm stopping myself here This is sad.
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