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Well that is over! The 36 hours of Daytona...shame one of my least favorite drivers won it.
Tony Stewart got spun out of any chance and Dale Jr finished 2nd. Kudos to Greg Biffle, talk about the ultimate team player...biggest race of the year, fast car behind him, but Biffle did not attack, just stuck to his teammate like glue keeping, anyone away.
Congrats to Matt Kenseth. He did have a strong car all race long.

Now let's get to F1


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Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Well, 1.05 laps into the race and Danica Patrick's race is overLOL 
Wasn't her fault at all but how anti climactic!


IDK how familiar you really are with it but these Daytona races really are kind of suicidal. 200 laps in a pack of 25 cars, at a steady 200 mph and obviously any slight mistake or bobble can cause a huge pile up. Hell a twitch can trigger a huge wreck. As someone who doesn't so much care for crashing, honestly Daytona can be boring...

It's either constant passing and nail biting excitement, or running in place for 199 laps. And lots of caution to fix the messesSleepy


edit: Well, I have never seen this. Good ol Juan Pablo Montoya spun under yellow and crashed into a jet drier (blows debris off the track) causing a huge fire to break out, as oil is perpetually leaking out... So now this massive, continuous fire is burning. This is like the  Daytona weekend from hellLOL
Reminds me of that Monaco GP when, under yellow, Montoya accidentally crashed Schumi. He has a knack for unusual, slow accidents!

I watched the 2007 running when Harvick won, I dont see the point of racing for 200 odd laps when it's only the last 20 that count.

Montoya has certainly had his share of unusual accidents, though to be fair that one at Monaco was Schumy's fault (breaking hard in the tunnel with someone right behind you is bloody stupid).
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Well NASCAR can and usually is more interesting, it's a race long battle, lots of strategy and subtle progression. Jimmie Johnson was the master of not being around all race long but slowly tweaking things and BAM! There to contend at the end.

Daytona, and Talladega are different though because of the packs... You seriously might as well catch the last 20 laps because ideally they are fine to let you lead for the first 180.
For the "big" races they tend to be bloody boring and/or wreck fests.
Though in these days I only catch the few big races and the road courses.

This one was also not Montoya's doing, we found out something broke and he had 0 control. Just happened right where the truck was...pretty much the sh*ttiest luck you can have right there.


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Barichello has signed to drive for KV Racing in IndyCar this season, I expect he'll win races, he's too good not to be towards the sharp end of the grid. I just feel sorry for Joseph Newgarden, his chances of winning rookie of the year just got a lot smaller! 
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Practice times from Australia, first session started wqet but quickly dried, the second session was wet for most of it but dried out for the last few minutes. Mercedes definitely look much better this year and the whole field seems to have closed up some (except HRT, who are having their usual shambolic start to the year).

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Friday, 16 March 2012
Position Country Driver Car number Team Fastest Lap
1 great britain Jenson Button 3 McLaren-Mercedes 1:27.560
2 great britain Lewis Hamilton 4 McLaren-Mercedes 1:27.805
3 germany Michael Schumacher 7 Mercedes GP 1:28.235
4 spain Fernando Alonso 5 Ferrari 1:28.360
5 australia Mark Webber 2 Red Bull-Renault 1:28.467
6 germany Nico Rosberg 8 Mercedes GP 1:28.683
7 australia Daniel Ricciardo 16 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:28.908
8 venezuela Pastor Maldonado 18 Williams-Renault 1:29.415
9 finland Kimi Raikkonen 9 Lotus 1:29.565
10 japan Kamui Kobayashi 14 Sauber 1:29.722
11 germany Sebastian Vettel 1 Red Bull-Renault 1:29.790
12 germany Nico Hulkenberg 12 Force India-Mercedes 1:29.865
13 great britain Paul Di Resta 11 Force India-Mercedes 1:29.881
14 brazil Bruno Senna 19 Williams-Renault 1:29.953
15 mexico Sergio Perez 15 Sauber 1:30.124
16 switzerland Romain Grosjean 10 Lotus 1:30.515
17 finland Heikki Kovalainen 20 Caterham 1:30.586
18 brazil Felipe Massa 6 Ferrari 1:30.743
19 france Jean-Eric Vergne 17 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:31.178
20 russian federation Vitaly Petrov 21 Caterham 1:31.983
21 germany Timo Glock 24 Marussia 1:34.730
22 france Charles Pic 25 Marussia 1:40.256
23 india Narain Karthikeyan 23 HRT-Cosworth
24 spain Pedro de la Rosa 22 HRT-Cosworth

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Friday, 16 March 2012
Position Country Driver Car number Team Fastest Lap
1 germany Michael Schumacher 7 Mercedes GP 1:29.183
2 germany Nico Hulkenberg 12 Force India-Mercedes 1:29.292
3 mexico Sergio Perez 15 Sauber 1:30.199
4 spain Fernando Alonso 5 Ferrari 1:30.341
5 japan Kamui Kobayashi 14 Sauber 1:30.709
6 great britain Paul Di Resta 11 Force India-Mercedes 1:31.466
7 brazil Felipe Massa 6 Ferrari 1:31.505
8 finland Heikki Kovalainen 20 Caterham-Renault 1:31.932
9 germany Nico Rosberg 8 Mercedes GP 1:32.184
10 germany Sebastian Vettel 1 Red Bull-Renault 1:32.194
11 australia Mark Webber 2 Red Bull-Renault 1:32.296
12 germany Timo Glock 24 Marussia-Cosworth 1:32.632
13 russian federation Vitaly Petrov 21 Caterham-Renault 1:32.767
14 switzerland Romain Grosjean 10 Lotus-Renault 1:32.822
15 great britain Jenson Button 3 McLaren-Mercedes 1:33.039
16 great britain Lewis Hamilton 4 McLaren-Mercedes 1:33.252
17 venezuela Pastor Maldonado 18 Williams-Renault 1:34.108
18 finland Kimi Raikkonen 9 Lotus-Renault 1:34.275
19 brazil Bruno Senna 19 Williams-Renault 1:34.312
20 france Jean-Eric Vergne 17 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:34.485
21 australia Daniel Ricciardo 16 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:34.604
22 france Charles Pic 25 Marussia-Cosworth 1:34.770
23 india Narain Karthikeyan 23 HRT-Cosworth 1:42.627
24 spain Pedro de la Rosa 22 HRT-Cosworth
 
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^Great new avy KoS!LOL

I love that helmet camera Webber's using, hope we see it used in the race.
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F1 is finally here! Approve

What will be more exciting James? Vettel's third title, Alonso's third title, or Hami crashing every other race? Tongue

Oh and KimiBig smile


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^Button beating the lot of them!Wink
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Eh you know I've given up my hatred of Button. I tried to force it (with some success) but it couldn't stick.
I don't even wish his seat would be given to someone else anymore. Though I wholeheartedly feel so with Massa, that bumLOL
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I agree with Andy.  Button hopefully will be awesome.

Are these Free Practice times worth taking seriously?  'cause Schumacher has done well in both and Vettel has done poorly.

Are Red Bull still testing?
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I don't see why Button won't be good. Unless McLaren has one of their off years, but that was years ago...they seem to have ironed out the inconsistencies.

Ya never know, that first race of the season tends to be a little nutty...and even RBR can have issues (like those weird KERS problems).
Though naturally I assume Vettel will have another 10+ wins and have his third title locked up early LOL



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So I gather that a couple of teams could be using some kind of tech they're not supposed to... there's a chance they could be reported to the FIA.

Hmm.

Hopefully Andy can go into further detail as I wasn't paying attention to Inside F1 earlier.


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^It doesnt look like there's going to be any major controversy at the first race on the technical side of things, at least since the FIA have said the passive F-duct system (not operated by any mechanical devices or the driver like the versions a couple years ago were) is completely leagal.

I wouldn't read too much into the practice times, it was wet and Red Bull were definitely running a lot of fuel. Juust look at Glock, he was 12th in P2 in a Marussia which hasnt even tested.

I will say this though, testing showed that Red Bull are still just about top, but McLaren are going to be starting much closer this year, probably the closest they've started a year to the front since 2008. And Mercedes have definitely made a jump forward, some think it might be enough to get them on terms with McLaren. Ferrari are uncertain, they look quick over a lap but the car is difficult to drive and eats it's tyres, its been suggested that they might even struggle to score points at the first few races.

Of course, as Brian said, Melbourne is well known for throwing up nutty races.

Also, Sebring 12 Hours this weekend, first World Endurance Championship race to be held in 20 years. Audi will win this race easy since Toyota dont make their debut till the next race at Spa, but I'm glad to see Sportscars have their own world chamiponship again.  
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I think they said it was the Mercedes and one other team that they were questioning.

It'd be nice to see Mercedes return to the form they had when Button won the World Championship (although they were Brawn back then).  I really rate Nico Rosberg and would like to seem him win a few races and get podium finishes this year.

There's definitely issues with the Ferrari.  Massa went into the gravel and Alonso almost lost it too.

By the way, did you see the BBC 1 programme about Lewis' brother the other week?  That was really interesting.  I haven't kept track of things but is he racing again this year?
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Massa didnt seem to realise he'd put the wheel on the wet grass.

I don't know about Nick, I havent read anything about him continuing for a second year but then I dont follow the Clio cup much anyway.
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Ah Sebring! This is gunna be a good weekend. 
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Glad I was realistic in not expecting greatness from Kimi right out of the box...eliminated in round 1LOL

Though he was slowed up a bit by going off. Still plenty of year to go before I start getting angry at his lack of performanceLOL

Edit: Holy sh*t, that off by Alonso was insane. Watching these cars is really like nothing else! Those things can snap around in a heartbeat. Must've been pushing to the absolute limit. They've been saying both drivers were not pleased with Ferrari during testingCry  

Also that supposedly the McLarens are hot and we're not quite sure about RBR....I won't believe that yet but maybe 2012 will be an even more exciting year than the past few!! And it's been some damn good seasons in recent times.


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Kimi out in Q1, both Ferrari out in Q2.
Good to see Hamilton and Button in the first row, let's see if Vettel can improve that 6th place.
A great qualy for Romain Grosjean!

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No doubt, this is going to be an epic year!
Maybe the most balanced, competitive field yet. Lots of driver talent and good equipment in the mid field and at top.

So what's the deal with this Mercedes "special piece" that seems to be borderline legal?
Not sure if it's all the reason but they certainly look to be a front runner!
2012 will be great.

Pos No Driver Constructor Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Grid
1 4 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:26.800 1:25.626 1:24.922 1
2 3 United Kingdom Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:26.832 1:25.663 1:25.074 2
3 10 France Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1:26.498 1:25.845 1:25.302 3
4 7 Germany Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1:26.586 1:25.571 1:25.336 4
5 2 Australia Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1:27.117 1:26.597 1:25.651 5
6 1 Germany Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1:26.773 1:25.982 1:25.668 6
7 8 Germany Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:26.763 1:25.469 1:25.686 7
8 18 Venezuela Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1:26.803 1:26.206 1:25.908 8
9 12 Germany Nico Hülkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1:27.464 1:26.314 1:26.451 9
10 16 Australia Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:27.024 1:26.319 no time 10
11 17 France Jean-Éric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:26.493 1:26.429
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12 5 Spain Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:26.688 1:26.494
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13 14 Japan Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:26.182 1:26.590
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14 19 Brazil Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 1:27.004 1:26.663
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15 11 United Kingdom Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1:27.469 1:27.086
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16 6 Brazil Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:27.633 1:27.497
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17 15 Mexico Sergio Pérez Sauber-Ferrari 1:26.596 no time
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18 9 Finland Kimi Räikkönen Lotus-Renault 1:27.758

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19 20 Finland Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1:28.679

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20 21 Russia Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1:29.018

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21 24 Germany Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1:30.923

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22 25 France Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1:31.670

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23 22 Spain Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1:33.495

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24 23 India Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1:33.643

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