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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote colorofmoney91 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2012 at 16:00
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I'm not sure that we should implement any sort of "classification" concerning length in regards to reviewing. A short review can be terrific, and I am quite jealous of those who can pull them off. I certainly can't..
BUT and that is a big but, I do think you deserve to be prog reviewer Alan. As I have told you, I really enjoy reading your writings.

Thanks Embarrassed you're the one who finally inspired me to take initiative for asking for the promotion in the first place.

But rewriting a huge number of reviews seems asinine to me.
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But rewriting a huge number of reviews seems asinine to me.


If I were you, I'd rewrite one a day or so until I was satisfied.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guldbamsen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2012 at 16:05
I don't think that is fair.
A lot of the old writers here started out doing shorter ones too, and these are still left as they were. Personally I feel it adds to a writers history - a sort of evolution if you will. How much further one has come with reviewing.
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I don't think that is fair.
A lot of the old writers here started out doing shorter ones too, and these are still left as they were. Personally I feel it adds to a writers history - a sort of evolution if you will. How much further one has come with reviewing.


I only said what I would do if I were in his shoes.  That's all.
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Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:



But rewriting a huge number of reviews seems asinine to me.


If I were you, I'd rewrite one a day or so until I was satisfied.
I've rewritten three or four of my oldies, and sooner or later I'll rewrite some of my early Senmuth's which I have written before understanding enough the artist. Yesterday I have edited one of my old reviews of Quintorigo because relistening to an album I have spotted something that I haven't noticed before...I don't think it's a strange thing.  
As awell as you haven't written 200 reviews in a day, you don't need to rewrite all those you consider poor in one shot.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote colorofmoney91 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2012 at 16:09
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:



But rewriting a huge number of reviews seems asinine to me.


If I were you, I'd rewrite one a day or so until I was satisfied.

I could do that, but that would only serve me well for promotion under the current standard and doesn't solve the bigger problem at all. My proposal is to make reviewing fairer for all users.
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I don't think that is fair.
A lot of the old writers here started out doing shorter ones too, and these are still left as they were. Personally I feel it adds to a writers history - a sort of evolution if you will. How much further one has come with reviewing.
For this reason I prefer adding a [EDIT} paragraph instead of rewriting totally.
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:



But rewriting a huge number of reviews seems asinine to me.


If I were you, I'd rewrite one a day or so until I was satisfied.
I've rewritten three or four of my oldies, and sooner or later I'll rewrite some of my early Senmuth's which I have written before understanding enough the artist. Yesterday I have edited one of my old reviews of Quintorigo because relistening to an album I have spotted something that I haven't noticed before...I don't think it's a strange thing.  
As awell as you haven't written 200 reviews in a day, you don't need to rewrite all those you consider poor in one shot.



But what about the prog reviewers and collaborators with featured reviews that are short and uninformative but refuse to revise them despite them being the first reviews seen on an album's page?

Again, revising my own reviews to meet a goal as a single person is possible, but it still seems unfair. 
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Hey Rob. My last comment wasn't directed at you, was for Alan. Sorry if it came across like that. I'm using my phone right now, so the quoting thing isn't working.

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Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:



But what about the prog reviewers and collaborators with featured reviews that are short and uninformative but refuse to revise them despite them being the first reviews seen on an album's page?




Brevity is one thing (as an English teacher, I believe a person should use as few words as possible to communicate an idea), but uninformative is another.

What we don't want to see are people padding their reviews with filler to meet a 300 word mark.  The problem with calling something "uninformative" is that its a subjective judgment call: What one person finds informative, another may find uninformative.

But for those who refuse to revise old reviews, that reflects on them (again, that's me talking).
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There are definitely a large bulk of reviews that are objectively uninformative. 
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:



But what about the prog reviewers and collaborators with featured reviews that are short and uninformative but refuse to revise them despite them being the first reviews seen on an album's page?




Brevity is one thing (as an English teacher, I believe a person should use as few words as possible to communicate an idea), but uninformative is another.

What we don't want to see are people padding their reviews with filler to meet a 300 word mark.  The problem with calling something "uninformative" is that its a subjective judgment call: What one person finds informative, another may find uninformative.

But for those who refuse to revise old reviews, that reflects on them (again, that's me talking).

Then why does it matter if my or anyone else's old shorter reviews are uninformative to one person? The keyword here is old, because a lot of people have grown in their composition style over time.
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I don't think that is fair.
A lot of the old writers here started out doing shorter ones too, and these are still left as they were. Personally I feel it adds to a writers history - a sort of evolution if you will. How much further one has come with reviewing.

I'm not saying to delete the short reviews, but only move them to the side column to make way for the longer and (objectively) more informative or quality reviews. Deleting the reviews would be rude.
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There are a few collabs (not going to mention names) whose reviews are always short and I find contain almost no information about the album, so I see your point.
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Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:

Then why does it matter if my or anyone else's old shorter reviews are uninformative to one person? The keyword here is old, because a lot of people have grown in their composition style over time.

I would think that the fact that you can see an improvement in your reviews over time could help strengthen your case for becoming a reviewer, although that doesn't mean you can't revise the older ones now if you wanted.
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It's a very interesting idea, thanks Alan. I think it would have deserved a thread of its own in the "Help Us Improve" section, but I don't have the time now to move 30 posts.

Sounds feasible from a technical point of view, like going from status to status + a certain length as the criteria for showing reviews in the left column. It would probably need M@x doing some scripting, though.

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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Hey Rob. My last comment wasn't directed at you, was for Alan. Sorry if it came across like that. I'm using my phone right now, so the quoting thing isn't working.



Ah.  No worries!
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Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:



But what about the prog reviewers and collaborators with featured reviews that are short and uninformative but refuse to revise them despite them being the first reviews seen on an album's page?




Brevity is one thing (as an English teacher, I believe a person should use as few words as possible to communicate an idea), but uninformative is another.

What we don't want to see are people padding their reviews with filler to meet a 300 word mark.  The problem with calling something "uninformative" is that its a subjective judgment call: What one person finds informative, another may find uninformative.

But for those who refuse to revise old reviews, that reflects on them (again, that's me talking).

Then why does it matter if my or anyone else's old shorter reviews are uninformative to one person? The keyword here is old, because a lot of people have grown in their composition style over time.


I'm not sure how to answer your question.
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Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:

Then why does it matter if my or anyone else's old shorter reviews are uninformative to one person? The keyword here is old, because a lot of people have grown in their composition style over time.

I would think that the fact that you can see an improvement in your reviews over time could help strengthen your case for becoming a reviewer, although that doesn't mean you can't revise the older ones now if you wanted.

That's a good point, but that is still slightly unfair considering that some collabs/PRs have short (objectively) uninformative reviews that may never make revisions. Using the personal evolution in writing style for users hoping to earn a promotion does sound like a good method of building a case though.
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

It's a very interesting idea, thanks Alan. I think it would have deserved a thread of its own in the "Help Us Improve" section, but I don't have the time now to move 30 posts.

Sounds feasible from a technical point of view, like going from status to status + a certain length as the criteria for showing reviews in the left column. It would probably need M@x doing some scripting, though.

Any other opinions?

Nah, that's pretty much it. It came to mind while I was writing a term paper for my systems analysis class LOL
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