Abortion: Legal or Illegal

Children who murder their born children are probably where your focus should be.

Negoba wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: Two ethicists walk into a bar... It still boils down for me that life does begin when the two sets of genetic material join to make a unique individual.  Even without the intervention of man or god that zygote does not automatically implant or develop into a baby.  There comes a point in development where you could argue that the state has a vested interest in forcing the woman to carry the pregnancy to term.  There are no easy answers as to when the state should intervene and force the woman to do that.  In the womb wanton baby murdering women are a right wing fallacy.   Right up until that last sentence I was pleasantly surprised.   Got to get in a dig on your imagined bugbears though...       I'm one of the biggest lefties on this board, yet you persist in this "right wing, cross waving" generalization. Give it up.

I'm not entirely sure that you are as lefty as you'd like to claim to be.  But I fully acknowledge that there isn't a purely right/left wing slant to the issue, but I know what I see and read so I won't give it up.  If you put it into a left/right construct you're not going to get consistency.

The bugbears are not imagined and I hope one day you will able to take your blinders off.  (that was good, wasn't it?)

I'm going do add that up i've been fairly consistent in my opionions so the whole statement should not have been surprising.  I've been accused of being disingenuous but if you spew out enough of your own opinions that's bound to happen.   I mean espousing contradictory things, not being disingenuous.


Edited by Slartibartfast - February 29 2012 at 13:25

I'm doing some searches, I assume that the authors are making a backhanded swipe at the practice of abortion. I haven't found anything to prove my suspicion though.

I've yet to see anyone say in the numerous article about the article, "You know these authors weren't actually serious. They're making a point about abortion."

Edited by Negoba - February 29 2012 at 14:06

I said if you put it into a left/right construct you will not get consistency.  You will find some on each side that have beliefs that don't conform with the left/fright stereotype.  Not all righties are anti abortion and not all lefties are pro choice.  Shouldn't be too difficult to wrap your head around.  It still boils down to the question of when is abortion abortion?  When you use contraception?  When you prevent implantation?  At a certain point in the the fetal development that a legislator determines is the point where you can't terminate?  When you assume that abortions however you define when a pregnancy termination constitutes an abortion is done for convenience, you insult every woman who has had to make a desperate decision about terminating a pregnancy, get it now?

Edited by Slartibartfast - February 29 2012 at 15:18

You speak as if I'm stupid.

You have repeatedly said that "Sometimes it really really sucks to be pregnant." Well yeah. Sometimes it really sucks to have children too. For some women, dealing with a colicky infant is much more taxing than being pregnant. But we don't give those mother the options of ending the little life.

You have yet to give any reason other than "But it's really really hard to be pregnant sometimes."

 

Here's my two bits.

Slartibartfast wrote: At a certain point in the the fetal development of a legislator

Exactly. That's the point when we should all be pro-abortion 

Equality 7-2521 wrote: I laughed until you infuriated me at the end. Pro-life does not imply belief in God.

Well, I started with chosen ones of evolution, but it kinda lacked that je ne sais quois. Sounded better as God. Besides, you don't have to believe in him to be his chosen one, right?

Equality 7-2521 wrote: Negoba wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: Apparently two "ethicists" (what is that word?) agree that the abortion argument extends to newborns.   Dude, that article is clearly pro-life rhetoric by every agent mentioned.   I've used the exact same arguments.   Because the fact is that the vast majority recoil at infanticide and then this line means you can't abort. (Contrapositive). Did I claim it not to be? It quotes the paper directly though. I refereed to those quotes which I found abhorrent. You can say maybe I'm criticizing the punchlines without seeing the buildup, but I don't have access to their full paper. I'm not sure what contrapositive you're talking about?

After-birth abortion: why should the baby live?

Cool. Google Scholar didn't hit anything for me. I'll take a look.