Abortion: Legal or Illegal

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: The concept that woman owns her body is lame, because the phoetus is not a part of her body Iván. .

If it's not she should be free to dispose of it.  If someone sneezes on you are you obligated to carry their snot around?


Edited by Slartibartfast - January 30 2012 at 10:08

Jim Garten wrote: OK, I think the dog/cat side debate has run its course - back on topic please? Many thanks.

That was a little odd. 

So if you were to abort an animal would you prefer a dog or a cat?

Sorry about that, just trying to find a link.


Edited by Slartibartfast - January 30 2012 at 07:14

Cat man.

Look dogs are pretty cool and I like them, but cats are the lazy persons pet. They pretty much take care of themselves and all you need to do is clean up and feed em. They dont even want to be trained, which is not only easy but pretty awesome. It's like f**k you I'm gunna just sleep here, you can fetch that little jingly mouse for me.


edit: Though one of my cats, without any training from us, used to fetch things until she got old and lazy, and we caught our other using the toilet twice. Again, not trained of course. That is some animal intelligence! Or we are not much smarter, either way.



Edited by JJLehto - January 29 2012 at 23:04

The T wrote: By the way I think there is a big prejudice, a big divide that is threatening all of us and that I see displayed in Pat's horrendous Nazi-level post. "I'm a dog guy". Why can't we all get along? Some of us are dog AND cat guys... It IS possible.

I suppose I meant I'm a dog guy and only a dog guy. I find cats to be relatively annoying, more like burdens than pets. I realize I have just made myself the manifestation of evil for 70% of the internet.


Edited by Equality 7-2521 - January 29 2012 at 22:46

Epignosis wrote: A Person wrote: I don't have anything to say about abortion, but I wanted to add my support to the whole kitten thing. The matter encompasses that too.

It's strange that I've never thought about puppy and kitty abortions before.

I've got to go to bed now.  Several dozen un-aborted youth will be awaiting my instruction tomorrow.

Gamemako wrote: Epignosis wrote: From here on out, feel free to look the other way when someone makes a joke. The link gives specific advice on terminating cat pregnancies. Just sayin'.

CONTEXT

Um...this is where I say, uh... what was it now?...oh yes, here is the phrase I am searching for:

"Just sayin'."

Epignosis wrote: From here on out, feel free to look the other way when someone makes a joke.

The link gives specific advice on terminating cat pregnancies. Just sayin'.

Equality 7-2521 wrote: I would assign value to all sentient beings as well, but clearly there's a difference between that and being human. If a dolphin awakes to consciousness it is not suddenly human.

This is true. Unfortunately, language is imperfect, and describing complex concepts accurately is difficult. Usually ends in someone coining a new term.

Equality 7-2521 wrote: That analogy makes no sense. You can deny physicality all of you want, but role playing and the your body are fundamentally different. You seem to be confusing human with some sense of self-identification which perhaps just comes from our knowledge of only one sentient species. You are either very confused or poorly choosing words to express yourself.

And the my body? Not sure what that was supposed to be. I am trying to point out that a human mind in any situation is a human mind, and that the vessel, real or imagined (for all intents and purposes, they can be identical to the mind), does not affect it generally.

Now, if you want to get into how it is specifically affected, we will have to specify developmental level, biochemistry, and so on. An adult brain in a jar hooked up to a computer to control a fish will enjoy a very different experience than an infant's brain, which, as it matures, will never learn speech, for example. I think that kind of issue is a bit beyond the scope of the discussion here, however.

Equality 7-2521 wrote: The T wrote: Kittens =/= exclusive for 13 year old girls. We boys like'em too... Whatever helps you sleep at night Teo.

But I like kittens too!

The T wrote: That answer is no answer.

No, it is a "no" answer, not no answer.

Epignosis wrote: The matter encompasses that too.

OK, I understand giving advice about spontaneous abortion (a.k.a. miscarriage), but why would you not just spay the cat?


Edited by Gamemako - January 29 2012 at 22:35

A Person wrote: I don't have anything to say about abortion, but I wanted to add my support to the whole kitten thing.

The matter encompasses that too.