Abortion: Legal or Illegal

Kittens =/= exclusive for 13 year old girls.

We boys like'em too...

That answer is no answer. I'll give you a better one: yes. To the first. question.

The T wrote: Kittens =/= exclusive for 13 year old girls. We boys like'em too...

Whatever helps you sleep at night Teo.

That's when my mind gets fuzzy too but I tend to believe that during the first weeks when it is totally dependent on the mother and is (this will sound bad) some sort of parasite, its rights are inferior to those of the mother. Once it achieves some sort of viability (don't push me too much here I am the first to recognize how nebulous this entire thing is to me) then it should be protected. I would never favor late abortions. But I have no problems with early ones, again used as last resource and not viewed as "just another contraceptive method" as was said before.

A Person wrote: I don't have anything to say about abortion, but I wanted to add my support to the whole kitten thing.

The matter encompasses that too.

Equality 7-2521 wrote: I would assign value to all sentient beings as well, but clearly there's a difference between that and being human. If a dolphin awakes to consciousness it is not suddenly human.

This is true. Unfortunately, language is imperfect, and describing complex concepts accurately is difficult. Usually ends in someone coining a new term.

Equality 7-2521 wrote: That analogy makes no sense. You can deny physicality all of you want, but role playing and the your body are fundamentally different. You seem to be confusing human with some sense of self-identification which perhaps just comes from our knowledge of only one sentient species. You are either very confused or poorly choosing words to express yourself.

And the my body? Not sure what that was supposed to be. I am trying to point out that a human mind in any situation is a human mind, and that the vessel, real or imagined (for all intents and purposes, they can be identical to the mind), does not affect it generally.

Now, if you want to get into how it is specifically affected, we will have to specify developmental level, biochemistry, and so on. An adult brain in a jar hooked up to a computer to control a fish will enjoy a very different experience than an infant's brain, which, as it matures, will never learn speech, for example. I think that kind of issue is a bit beyond the scope of the discussion here, however.

Equality 7-2521 wrote: The T wrote: Kittens =/= exclusive for 13 year old girls. We boys like'em too... Whatever helps you sleep at night Teo.

But I like kittens too!

The T wrote: That answer is no answer.

No, it is a "no" answer, not no answer.

Epignosis wrote: The matter encompasses that too.

OK, I understand giving advice about spontaneous abortion (a.k.a. miscarriage), but why would you not just spay the cat?


Edited by Gamemako - January 29 2012 at 22:35

Epignosis wrote: From here on out, feel free to look the other way when someone makes a joke.

The link gives specific advice on terminating cat pregnancies. Just sayin'.

Gamemako wrote: Epignosis wrote: From here on out, feel free to look the other way when someone makes a joke. The link gives specific advice on terminating cat pregnancies. Just sayin'.

CONTEXT

Um...this is where I say, uh... what was it now?...oh yes, here is the phrase I am searching for:

"Just sayin'."

I've got to go to bed now.  Several dozen un-aborted youth will be awaiting my instruction tomorrow.

Epignosis wrote: A Person wrote: I don't have anything to say about abortion, but I wanted to add my support to the whole kitten thing. The matter encompasses that too.

It's strange that I've never thought about puppy and kitty abortions before.