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stonebeard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
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I'm almost to the point of hoping we elect the worst possible person to tip us over into a real f**ked up nation, so people might actually care. Things are pretty sh*tty, but people keep on supporting the Party of sh*t.
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Epignosis ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32553 |
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The reassuring thing is Paul's campaign knows what states they will do poorly in, and they plan for this. Paul knew he wasn't going to have a strong showing in SC (just as he knows he won't have a strong showing in Florida). However, it's always disappointing to come in last, and it's outrageous that a large number of conservative Christians are okay with having a philanderer lead them.
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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Oh gawd! Newt?? Why why why must we suffer this
![]() ![]() ![]() Anyone want to guess when it ends?: From 2012 Election Central http://www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com/2012-republican-primary-schedule/
Dammit!!! I totally forgot we have yet to be subjected to the conventions. ![]() Edited by Slartibartfast - January 22 2012 at 08:00 |
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Negoba ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 24 2008 Location: Big Muddy Status: Offline Points: 5210 |
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Newt will get sliced and diced in a general election. Is there any Republican leadership left? Do they actually want to win the election?
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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manofmystery ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
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Well, I already typed a long response to this that ProgArchives error messaged away
![]() While 4th place is obviously a disappointment there are more than a few positive developments out of SC for Paul supporters:
- As you mentioned above the Paul campaign never put much stock in South Carolina. The majority of money spent was spent outside the campaign. No real resources were wasted in SC. Despite that...
- Ron Paul continued his trend of drastically improved vote totals (compared to 2008) without changing anything about his message. Despite the disappointing place he took in SC (considering polls leading up to the vote and the endorsments from several major "tea-party" state senators (of course, the later went nearly unreported)) he still saw an almost 10% increase over his 08' finish (3.6%) which means that just under 5 times as many voters came out for Paul this time around. It is still a very well organized campaign with the money to be in it for the long haul. The states in which Paul did best in 08' are still ahead of us, not behind.
- Mitt Romney is bloodied. His easy assention to the nomination has been haulted while the first real questions about his primary selling point, his electibility, are being widely raised. This could be seen, and will be by the media, as a positive for both Santorum and Swingrich but...
- Santorum needed much more out of this state than did Paul. His non-competitive finish in an evangelical state (the only voting block he can really pull) won't get him the money he needs survive much longer. Coupled his money woes with his weak organization and support base he will likely either drop out before Florida or immediately after. Also....
- Gingrich, outside of being a fatally flawed candidate on the national stage, is still running a second-class operation that isn't even on the ballot in two key states (including his current home state of VA). His funding will surge but the product hasn't improved.
- The likelihood of a brokered convention has drastically improved. There seems to an extremely low possibility of someone garnering enough delegates to win the nomination outright. At very least we can all enjoy watching the republican party collapse in on itself in Tampa.
The mainstream media is still the major problem moving ahead. Their coverage of the campaign has been shameful, at best, and purposefully manipulative, at worst. Santorum is, of course, only still here because of the surge the media manufactured for him in Iowa. What's more interesting is how the collective media script will change going forward. Romney's fall is going to be talked about a lot but how will they handle Swingrich? Will there be a banding together to promote him so they can more easily secure an Obama win or will they report on how awful he truely is, as a person and a candidate? Paul, of course, has gone back to the ignored category (but that could be seen before yesterday anyway). The token republican analysts (who are always party insiders), at main networks, along with FuxNews, Limbaugh, Levin, and Savage will try to ignore everything I pointed out above and push the "will Ron Paul get out soon" script. Glenn Beck, if his head hasn't exploded since last nights returns came in, will be an interesting case considering he does carry the proper amount of loathing for Newt (believe he made it clear he couldn't vote for him) and a mild disgust for Romney (who I believe he sees as not really any different than Obama, though this is based on snippets only as I don't actual follow his show anymore). With his boy Santorum's campaign on deah watch it'll be interesting to see where he goes and just how nut he gets. He's still a christian jihadist so I assume he'll back kill-em'-all Romney.
This summary isn't as good as the one I first wrote but them's the breaks, I guess ![]() Edited by manofmystery - January 22 2012 at 10:09 |
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I hate when that happens. ![]() You have to copy to clip board before you hit post reply to be safe. It only seems to happen when you take the time to write out something long and clever doesn't it? I'm with you on the shallowness of the mainstream media coverage, but then again it is the mainstream media. And also the damn campaign started way too early and then they slam Obama for being "political"? ![]() Edited by Slartibartfast - January 22 2012 at 10:30 |
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manofmystery ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
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Yeah, terrible timing on that. Speaking of the awful media coverage, I forgot to mention the most blatant misreporting (lying) we've seen so far: the delegate count. THERE IS NO DELEGATE COUNT FOR IOWA! Iowa has soft delegates that have nothing to do with the vote results. I see that today even the drudge report is linking to a completely ridiculous count that gives Santorum 14 Iowa delegates and Paul only 4. An attempt to keep Santorum in the race? Who knows but Ron Paul does have at least 9 delegates while Santorum likely has 6. This doesn't even factor in the "soft" delegate angle which, if it's all about delegate loyalty, then who do you think comes out ahead?
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Gamemako ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 31 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1184 |
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Hail Eris!
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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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Well, certainly not over...the GOP race is just getting hot and crazy now!
Newt??? I was expecting Santorum to do well (better even) but Newt?? God damn... Also after such a strong showing Paul is really starting to slip. I believe Florida is the next "big" one so maybe he can make a big showing there and make ground. Especially with all the anti romney votes hanging around. |
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manofmystery ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
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JJ, read my above post. Also, his campaign is basically skipping Florida as it doesn't not give out proportional delegates. Don't fall for the narrative of the media. SC and FL never have been part of the plan.
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stonebeard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
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True both Dems and Reps are sh*t. But at least in the past, I saw Democrats as the party of big spending with an actual positive goal (social improvement), even if the goal is unreachable and the methods are retarded. Worst thing I could have said about most Democrats is they're concerned with namby-pamby bullsh*t and political correctness, Now it seems as if everyone stopped caring about being anti-war or anti-American terrorism abroad or ant-torturing and rendition. Those are ok now because of 9/11. Yay! Still, the Democrats don't coddle the fundamentalists who hate gays/atheists/Muslims/abortion doctors/everyone, which is really why I'm pissed lately. There really are no corollaries to Gingrich or Santorum on the Democrat side. Vileness of character and opinion of that nature is only voiced proudly by Republicans.
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manofmystery ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
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You're saying the party of Al Frankin and Rahm Emanuel has no vile b*****ds? Come on, both parties suck and both parties have their a****les. When the leadership of both parties seem perfectly fine playing war games with human lives then there is plenty of vileness to go around |
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stonebeard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
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Maybe they are, I dunno. I've never heard anything particularly insane coming from them. Militarism and throwing young men in front of bullets is practically ingrained in the American psyche, and even though it is not a good thing, it's not out of the ordinary to support it. So Dems and Reps are both equally terrible with that, but it's not particularly extraordinary in it's evilness. The constant, never-ending, moral impositions flaunted by the Reps particularly wear thin though.
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Gamemako ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 31 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1184 |
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How about Joe Lieberman? Even our independents are nutjobs!
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stonebeard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
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Oh he so doesn't count! I don't even know how he remained a Democrat in name for so long. But if he doesn technically count then ok. Every time he spoke I cringed. His voice is like a depressed fart spewing Zionist bullsh*t ALL THE TIME.
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jplanet ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 30 2006 Location: NJ Status: Offline Points: 799 |
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I am with you, Stonebeard, as far as finding many of the GOP positions troubling - it seems that the main theme of the party in the past two decades has simply been a proud lack of common empathy. For instance:
Gingrich: Get rid of union-protected school janitors, get rid of child labor laws, and send little kids from poor neighborhoods to clean up schools. Santorum: Are we still really on this whole anti-gay, pro-family crap? Even though I have a Christian upbringing, I have the good sense to know that people of many religions live in this country, and some don't espouse religion at all, and that is their right. I have zero interest in a Christian version of Sharia Law. Ron Paul: I think this guy has some awesome potential, but you have to be living on another planet to think that you're not going to offend some people's sensitivities by saying that the Civil Rights bill should never have been enacted. Combine that with the unlikely story that he had no knowledge of racist remarks in his newsletters, and you end up with a candidate who appears to be white supremacist-friendly. Even if he isn't, he should be making that abundantly, unquestionably clear. And the whole thing with letting a guy with cancer die if he can't afford insurance... There appears to be a pattern with all GOP candidates - they all proudly boast about some lack of empathy, and leverage a demographic of people who have disdain for and blame the poor, or gay, or black people for the financial problems in this country. It's as if someone took the Mr. Potter villain character from "It's a Wonderful Life", and formed a political party based on his personality. The Democrats, of course, manage to appear as if their empathies are in the right place, but appear unable to act on them. Is it because the GOP hinders them, or rather because they are in the pockets of corporate interests, just like all of them are? In any case, at least they feign empathy towards the less fortunate and marginalized. What I suspect is this: these issues are being used to divide us - gay vs. Christian, black vs. white, farmer vs. scholar, blue collar vs white collar, union worker vs. business owner. But, when you think about it, there is rarely, if ever, any legislation that effects us along these lines. We're mostly given lip service by both parties in these areas, but the laws they are enacting are not benefiting typical liberal or conservative citizens. The people who benefit are the interests that finance their campaigns, and that's about it. Edited by jplanet - January 23 2012 at 05:12 |
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“Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all.”—Frédéric Bastiat
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"Socialism" when thrown about as a epithet also loses meaning and lends nothing to clarity..
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manofmystery ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
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I was going to originally add something about it speaking more to the modern political attitudes (in the context I was using it) than specifically socialism but I was hoping everyone would get that.
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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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Well I do agree and remember in some earlier post I said I dont think Paul would ever win like other candidates (focus on big states) but by just staying solid throughout. |
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