Prog often Plagued by Poor Lyrics? |
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GoldenGod2112
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 30 2011 Location: Tacoma, WA Status: Offline Points: 351 |
Posted: September 14 2011 at 12:26 | |
Most of Yes's lyrics have never made sense to me at all. But I still love the hell out of them. |
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Jake Kobrin
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 20 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1303 |
Posted: September 14 2011 at 13:34 | |
The new Opeth album (which is now streaming on NPR - check it out) has some of the most atrocious lyrics ever sung. "Hey you, will you be true? Feel the pain, in your brain, insaaaannnneee..." That's just one example of many.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: September 14 2011 at 13:50 | |
Yeah, I particularly liked GOD IS DEAAAAAAAAD in the first track. Don't strain yourself with all those deep thoughts, Mikael. |
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musicevangelist
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Posted: September 22 2011 at 20:49 | |
In answer to the OP:
Yes and at the same time, a resounding no.
What I mean by this is, yes some prog has awful lyrics, but no more or less than any other genre/style/generic grouping around.
There is some highly lyrical rap and hip hop as there is some utter tripe in those styles.
Plus what I think is a good lyric you may think is terrible.
So yes and no is my answer.
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rod65
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Posted: September 28 2011 at 08:04 | |
I really don't get the original post. Sure, some prog has crappy lyrics, but have you ever listened to a random sampling of lyrics from other rock or pop genres? "Baby baby baby love me all night long I got what you need keep it up till morning blah blah blah." Give a dose of Yes's poetic ramblings any day, to say noting of the coherency and beauty of Misplaced Childhood, Subeterranea, The Visitor, Snow, or ... I could go on at length.
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fuyuakiworld
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Posted: December 24 2011 at 23:54 | |
I've thought this many a time. Like most of Nursery Cryme. Or sometimes it just sounbds corny or pretentious.
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Kashmir75
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Posted: December 25 2011 at 01:14 | |
I think many prog lyrics are much, much better than what you get in most pop songs.
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cstack3
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Posted: December 25 2011 at 01:28 | |
I'd certainly have to agree! Besides the typical suspects (Gabriel, various Andersons etc.) there are many prog lyricists who don't receive as much recognition as they should. My favorite of the unknown bunch would be the amazing David Cousins of the Strawbs! Here's a cheerful Christmas Greeting from the gang, and all of their lyrics are contained within (I'm very fond of "The Life Auction" among others) |
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Stevo
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Posted: January 11 2012 at 11:18 | |
The problem may be this: when the music is ambitious- or bombastic- the lyrics have to have a similar stature. If the lyrics are the same banal stuff as in any pop song, then the incongruity is noticeable. We expect more of the words. It is also the case that trying to elevate the lyrics to a more serious and lofty stature may have some bad/silly results. I think the new Yes album has some of this problem. Foreign bands singing in English seem to be especially susceptible in my opinion.
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DreamInSong
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Posted: January 11 2012 at 15:11 | |
Poor lyrics? Hardly... Jason Byron (maudlin of the Well, Kayo Dot), Rodger Waters (Pink Floyd) are both incredible lyricists. Steven Wilson (Porcupine Tree, No-Man, etc.) has a few duds, but
overall, he is quite poetic. At times, Steven Wilson is such an utter
sonic genius, I am in awe. The words flow so well, your tongue tingles as you say them. I don't have a clue what Peter Nicholls (IQ)
is talking about, but have you ever heard more beautiful nonsense? And then there's Peter Hamill... Come on... Come Ooooon
"An electric curent binds us together forever When you call me with vibrations It is somewhere between your mind and mine It isn't like planting a thought in your head The blind need to see A breeze in the hallway Tomorrow it may rain again I will not leave and Nothing will be disturbed" "And after a while, you can work on points for style Like the club tie, and the firm handshake A certain look in the eye and an easy smile You have to be trusted by the people that you lie to So that when they turn their backs on you You'll get the chance to put the knife in" "I had a dream. Good-bye Max. Good-bye Ma. After the service when you're walking slowly to the car And the silver in her hair shines in the cold November air You hear the tolling bell And touch the silk in your lapel And as the tear drops rise to meet the comfort of the band You take her frail hand And hold on to the dream." "Sullen and bored the kids stay And in this way they wish away each day… Stoned in the mall the kids play And in this way wish away each day… I don’t really know If I care what is normal" "I still wave at the dots on the shore And I still beat my head against the door I still rage and wage my little war I'm a shade and easy to ignore" "Who'll defy me now And chase the lightning all to soon What kind of mercy will you gain Under the shadow of the moon" "The only thing I want Is taken out and rained upon Heart beaten down No surrender to the sacred sound Light shatters the skeleton circus And the carnival's deadly host No memory nothing remembered From the pages of the book of ghosts Though the system stays in place What if I'm no longer safe" "Here at the glass - all the usual problems, all the habitual farce. You ask, in uncertain voice, what you should do as if there were a choice but to carry on miming the song and hope that it all works out right. Tonight it all seems so strange - my spirit feels rigid, my body deranged; still that's only from one point of view and we can't have illusion between me and you, my constant friend, ever close at hand - you and the undercover man." "There's a house with no door and I'm living there at nights it gets so cold and the days are hard to bear inside. There's a house with no roof, so the rain creeps in, falling through my head as I try to think out time. I don't know you, you say you know me, that may be so, there's so much that I am unsure of ... You call my name, but it sounds unreal, I forget how I feel, my body's rejecting the cure." Edit: Some of the "Dogs" lyrics were written by David Gilmore, and some of "Laboratories of the Invisible World" were written by Toby Driver Edited by DreamInSong - January 11 2012 at 15:18 |
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Gerinski
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 10 2010 Location: Barcelona Spain Status: Offline Points: 5154 |
Posted: January 11 2012 at 15:33 | |
Very true. All in all I think we can not complain of poor lyrics in prog, as many have said, generally and comparatively speaking prog has pretty decent lyrics.
Another thing is vocalist. There have been a few great prog singers but generally speaking prog bands struggle to have good singers, I suspect that the main reason is that for an instrumentalist wanting to challenge a higher-level playing he has to move to prog, or classical, or jazz-rock etc. Nobody will feel a big difference in the pop music world.
On the other hand a good singer can show his/her talent in the pop environment and on top make much more money (think of George Michael for an example). So (although I surely do not want to generalise) good singers go to pop and good instrumentalists wanting recognition go to prog, jazz, etc (besides those who are happy being session musicians for anybody who pays good enough).
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Arrested Decay
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Posted: January 12 2012 at 18:15 | |
Her name was Pat,
and we sat under a treeeee She kissed meeee~ (Not being hateful, I love that song. I'm just saying.) |
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ScorchedFirth
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Posted: May 28 2012 at 15:35 | |
Damn right, that man knows how to turn a phrase, he understands the power words can have. My other favourite would have to be Peter Hammill. Still life for example, I went and printed out at the library, just because I liked it so much. It really is like poetry, which is especially clear when it's laid out on the page as such. |
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Epignosis
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Posted: May 28 2012 at 16:00 | |
I think you misread the intent of the comment you quoted. |
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: May 28 2012 at 16:49 | |
Really, I think this thread is unfairly targetting prog lyrics. It is far simpler and more to the point to say that rock music, and pop songs in general, contain inane lyrics. offhand, I can think of relatively few prog songs that have lyrics as sophomoric as the following:
Oh oh oh oh oh oh You don't have to go oh oh oh oh oh You don't have to go oh oh oh oh oh You don't have to go Ay ay ay ay ay ay All those tears I cry ay ay ay ay ay All those tears I cry ay ay ay ay ay Baby please don't go. When I read the letter you wrote It made me mad mad mad When I read the news that it brought me It made me sad sad sad But I still love you so, I can't let you go I love you- ooh baby I love you Oh oh oh oh oh oh Every breath I take oh oh oh oh oh Every move I make oh oh oh oh oh Baby please don't go Ay ay ay ay ay ay You hurt me to my soul ay ay ay ay ay You hurt me to my soul ay ay ay ay ay Darling please don't go.... Edited by The Dark Elf - May 28 2012 at 17:14 |
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Epignosis
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Posted: May 28 2012 at 17:07 | |
Just a friendly warning, but there is a rule against posting full lyrics in the forum.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: May 28 2012 at 17:15 | |
p.s. I edited out the last few stanzas. Edited by The Dark Elf - May 28 2012 at 17:16 |
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Epignosis
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Posted: May 28 2012 at 17:19 | |
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Alitare
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Posted: May 28 2012 at 17:20 | |
What the hell is wrong with a solid Roy Orbison single?
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: May 28 2012 at 17:24 | |
I give up, Al. What the hell is wrong with a solid Roy Orbison single?
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