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The Neck Romancer 
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lazland
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Posted: January 10 2012 at 14:11 |
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Let's not turn this into a personal dig at just one collaborator, who happens to do a great deal of work on the site.
The overall point is the important one, and that is that it is the duty of the site to provide accurate, impartial, and, above all, honest reviews based upon a true and extended listen to the work. Our reputation depends upon it.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: January 10 2012 at 14:18 |
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Nothing personal about it, but it is obviously an issue.
I mean, basically every 1-2 star review he has written says that he's only heard the album in question once Edited by Triceratopsoil - January 10 2012 at 14:29 |
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Bonnek
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Posted: January 10 2012 at 16:02 |
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Which is at least honest, and enough information to ignore them entirely. If anything we all know who Aube is now. |
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Logan
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Posted: January 10 2012 at 16:39 |
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I'm pleased that I now know Aube. I just listened to the first track off of metal de Metal on youtube (hardly ideal, I know), but it still appealed enough for me to plan to get the album. I find it very resonant and musically appealing. I got a very different impression from the review, but I probably am more attuned to that sort of musical, and it is music, idiom.
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octopus-4
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Posted: January 10 2012 at 16:58 |
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It's one of the tracks that I have attempted. This demonstrates that's always question of personal tastes and if you have found something that you enjoy it means that this discussion has been useful.
My personal opinion of Aube, for what I have heard is like a noisy kind of Phrozenlight, but at least the second is good for relaxing. The Dutch takes inspiration from the Tangerine Dream of the Pink Period, but unfortunately he's not Edgar Froese. Aube makes me think to the most noisy stuff of Acid Mother's Temple, but very far away. Of course I have listened to few tracks only from youtube but what I really dislike is using sounds so uselessly disturbing. Well, it's some time since when I have tried so this is just the impression remained in my mind, I have almost forgotten everything of his music. Those are just the impressions that I remember. Back to Atomic, I think that once you know that the review comes out from that kind of listen you can give it the appropriate weight. I think he has been honest and for what I have heard I agree with the rating. To clarify my position again: In some cases a single listen can be enough, in general it's a risk because you can miss something important and write a crap or at least a wrong review.Few months ago I have reviewed Brave (Marillion). I took about 20 years to decide if I liked that album or not. |
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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Atavachron
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Posted: January 11 2012 at 02:34 |
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Dog and pony show
 but yes; it's quite clear that industrial, high volume, single-listen music journalism is unseemly and in poor taste. I do understand how it could happen - or why a certain artist is conducive to snap-shot reviews - but it doesn't do the average PA reader, nor the artists subjected to it, any justice. And Youtube for reviews? Really? Seems like you could shoot yourself in the foot that way, and what an utterly crummy way to listen to music, even bad music. I'll use the tube for evals if necessary but if I'm gonna have the pleasure of slamming someone, the delicious catharsis of a really bad review, I want to hear it for real. |
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Dean
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Posted: January 11 2012 at 04:34 |
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The title of this thread is "Reviews discussion" - it is not about likes or tastes or opinions or impressions or how memorable anything it but about reviews and it does not matter how you argue it, YouTube and/or single or partial listens are fine for all those things but not for reviews.
Two words: Collaborator Weighting.
Every review by every Prog Reviewer and every Collaborator is given special weighting (20 times) ... with that privilege comes responsibility.
A single listen is never enough - a review is not just about whether you like an album or not, and from Prog Reviewers and Collaborators reviews we should be expecting a lot more than that.
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octopus-4
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Posted: January 11 2012 at 04:49 |
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I was not meaning "reviews"...sorry for the misunderstandins, my fault. One listen can be enough to decide if I like something or not. My mention of Madonna was in this sense. I very rarely rate albums with 1 star and when it happens they are bad moments of artists that I like, otherwise I don't waste my time listening to poor things. You know that one of my one stars ratings was to GTR (we discussed about it) and it's an album that I've listened to for a whole summer when it was released. But in any case I'm not sure that it applies "always". I don't think that it's a rule. This is where I disagree.
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: January 11 2012 at 07:08 |
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Okay I removed all the reviews on Aube except one. I apologise to
Nakajima Akifumi if I offended him. I apologise to the admins here if they were offended by my reviews. i apologise that I used youtube to review them, and that was a one off and wont happen again. i apologise to everyone on this thread who were offended by the reviews.
i have been listening to Hawkwind all day on and off and really enjoyed it and am writing reviews on all the albums as I got hold of all the remasters. i love prog and wont be listening to stuff i dont love even for a review as obviously its not worth it.
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timothy leary
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Posted: January 11 2012 at 08:38 |
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I just ignore the one paragraph collaborator reviews. If Pa wants to assign an unreal importance to them fine, I don't. There is one on the front page now.
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Angelo
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Posted: January 11 2012 at 12:48 |
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 That's a bit of a weird statement, isn't it? |
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I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: January 11 2012 at 12:59 |
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It's missing an apostrophe or two. The capitalization is also wrong. Also that whole "<snip>" thing wasn't in it.  Edited by Slartibartfast - January 11 2012 at 13:08 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Dean
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Posted: January 11 2012 at 16:26 |
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""What we get here is basically half indie (the ethereal kind of slightly alternative tunes where you have to think about stoners, cloud castles and such) and lite version of Post-Rock of a very melodic (or mellow) kind, harmonic, a bit atmospheric (but not that much of ambient element), a little bit of good ol' high and lows (Black Bag is the most prominent of non prominence of this element on "Transitions") and all in all, it's a good artsy album, but except the beauty, there are not much strong moments. The album is good in sounding good, but excellent ? Perfect ? I suppose not. Fortunately, second "side" helps a bit, brings new elements, such as the ones in wild traditional Diabolique, or "
 or what? Or "I've exceeded 100 words so I'll stop mid sentence"?
Or "I'll give it 4-stars even though it's not that great"?
Or "I words random together will throw"?
OR - What the f*ck is going on around here?
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Logan
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Posted: January 11 2012 at 16:33 |
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Regarding the way it finishes so abruptly, or fails to finish at all, maybe Marty hit the submit button accidentally before he was finished, or had failed to copy in the whole review, or something unintentional like that. |
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Dean
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Posted: January 11 2012 at 16:39 |
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^ fixed now
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Marty McFly
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Posted: January 11 2012 at 17:52 |
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Indeed, I hit the button too prematurely by accident and then hasted to my reviewing panel to quickly finish it before too many people will see it.
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: January 20 2012 at 02:20 |
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Lets discuss our friend TheWickedFall
I read all these reviews too and was astounded he thinks these are reviews that do not even mention the music that he seems to have forgotten. Sigh... they really mar this site from its credibility and perhaps need either deleting or changing. Several reports have gone in and I wonder how many reports constitutes a deletion... He doesn't discuss music in his reviews just the following: England racism satanism mainland island a lack of informational knowledge the fact he cant remember a single track if the guy cant be bothered listening back to the tracks what's the point of writing reviews? If I forget I always play the album again while reviewing anyway - doesnt that make sense? |
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dreadpirateroberts
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Posted: January 20 2012 at 04:11 |
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^ So is that is the person known previously as 'akin' is it?
(as per Dean's link on the other review thread below) http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28343&PN=171 Edited by dreadpirateroberts - January 20 2012 at 04:14 |
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We are men of action. Lies do not become us.
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Dean
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Posted: January 20 2012 at 04:31 |
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No. Two different people, two different discussions. |
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This album was bought as a child growing up at about 11 years of age. The cassette is the basis to this review. The band's covers lured me into their sound and after their first tape caught somewhere in time that I did not like for their lack of vocals. This cassette filled that void but my parents did not. I was forced to return the album at the store since it had satanic cover.