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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2012 at 23:35
Yeah, that's just 1 term.

I'm referring to 2 terms.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2012 at 23:41
Originally posted by James James wrote:

Yeah, that's just 1 term.

I'm referring to 2 terms.

I don't generally factor in two terms for a potential president until they prove themselves for one term. That's where I see no point.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2012 at 23:44
True.

He's a loony anyway, so it won't make much difference.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2012 at 00:50
Crazy Santorum? I'm guessing there has been an infusion of Military and of Corporate cash last minute!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2012 at 01:27
Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Slarti ought to be smiling tonight: the media managed to bring the evangelicals out for the most ridiculous candidate in the entire race.  Goes from drawing crowds of 20 people to 20,000+ votes.  Something stinks here.
His poll numbers soared in the last week, the evangelicals finally decided he was the one they wanted to go with. Anyway, I'm enjoying the gnashing of teeth around the internet.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2012 at 02:17
Originally posted by James James wrote:

Serious question: what's the point of voting for a 76 year old?



Would you seriously let the age get in the way? What if you were sure this person was the only way? Throw away your vote for someone else just because they may die in office? Besides, I'm sure he would find a VP that would be dedicated to the same beliefs.

He's a Doctor so hopefully in good health, and I'm sure takes fine care of his vagina Shocked
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2012 at 02:21
I believe there should be an age cut off for candidates, yes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2012 at 02:34
To be fair, not like Paul hasn't tried before. Can't hold that against the guy. Actually I think he ran for President back in like the 80s even, but Im too lazy to check.


Also no one bats an eyelash at me saying Paul ha a vagina????
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2012 at 02:38
Also, I just remembered Ron Paul was in Bruno...when Sacha Cohen wanted to make a sex tape and came onto him by surprise.
Obviously that was the start of it all and he's been vaulted to the mainstream.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2012 at 06:56
Originally posted by James James wrote:

I believe there should be an age cut off for candidates, yes.


That's one of the dumbest suggestions I've ever heard. I think there should be a habitual liar cut off to keep out the atrocious dishonest flip-flopping presidents we've had in the last 100 years.
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2012 at 07:00
I'm a little bit shocked by the numbers. Santorum's evangelical surge really hit Paul's numbers worse than I thought. I didn't really think his surge was real. Thank you mindless herd voters for validating the absolute worse candidate in the race. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2012 at 07:13
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Slarti ought to be smiling tonight: the media managed to bring the evangelicals out for the most ridiculous candidate in the entire race.  Goes from drawing crowds of 20 people to 20,000+ votes.  Something stinks here.
His poll numbers soared in the last week, the evangelicals finally decided he was the one they wanted to go with. Anyway, I'm enjoying the gnashing of teeth around the internet.

Actually the media is paying more attention to this than is due.  But this is on the mark:
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"The rap on Iowa?  It doesn’t represent the rest of the country…
  It's too white, too evangelical, too rural.”
     --  NBC's Andrea Mitchell,     Link 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2012 at 07:35
Heh....all this lesser government talk is nice and all but maybe in the end America (well Republican voters) only do care about one thing. Talk about your faith. Don't have to do much else..just whip out that Bible and you can still sweep mammoth swaths of the country. When it comes to "moral conservative" (oh it pains me just to type) tough to beat good ol Santorum.....

IDK Slart like I said somewhere else, Iowa is more moderate then stereotypes would have you believe. Well moderate as in the democrat/republican balance. It's no New York or California which range from white trash to elitist, and have pretty much every group..but Iowa ain't bad for a bellwether.

I always wondered how Paul would make it through the GOP with his stance on gay marriage. I know he ultimately doesn't support it per se, and can say "leave it to the states" but people would much rather hear I WANNA AMEND THE CONSTITUTION TO STEP DEM GAYS. Which more than a few GOPers will gladly sayLOL there's also the whole drug thing and non interventionist policies.

How on Earth will he actually get through to Republican voters? Us people are dumb and they wont listen to the anti-government stances. Just wanna hear the end result and the core of the Republican party really is pretty off from what Paul wants. A lot of people are pissed enough at the moment but I still wish him luck, because he'll need it!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2012 at 08:24

Thoughts on this ruling/issue, gentlemen?

I'm torn, I believe. Though I do tend to lean libertarian in ways, I'm starting to believe the betterment of society deserves more importance than I have previously given it. If that means limiting corporate money in political campaigns at times at the expense of reducing "speech" for corporations (is donating money even "speech"?), I might be ok with it. We may have to wait and see if it actually has an effect on politics in America. It can be hard to know. I do agree with one thing here for sure:

"While American democracy is imperfect, few outside the majority of this Court would have thought its flaws included a dearth of corporate money in politics." - Justice Stevens

I have a feeling the more I read into this decision, the issue and the implications, the more I will support a reversal of the decision (should it happen soon), but most likely it seems the only way to realistically alter this shift in attitude is an Amendment to the Constitution. 

Also, another neat old article:


Who is really at fault here? Seems to me like drug companies are restricting the supply of generics while ensuring a decent volume of more profitable brand names. Eh, you might say, but when the scripts run into the hundreds of dollars, this is the kind of thing I'm ok with governmental intervention. It's a tough issue, though. Restricting the supply of drugs that have patents expiring soon for the benefit of weaning patients onto more profitable newer drugs is one of the most hideous things I can imagine happening, and if it is taking place, I want laws against it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2012 at 09:11
Originally posted by James James wrote:

I believe there should be an age cut off for candidates, yes.

Why only for candidates? Let's put an age cap for every profession. And while we're at it, let's also dliminate risks or some stupid youngster ruining us. Let's make it so that only male between the ages of 50 and 55 can be president. Yes and they better be religious. And have a family. And have a dog (well I kind of agree with this one...)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2012 at 09:17
Santorum is simply this year's Huckabee.  Move along, nothing to see here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2012 at 09:37
^True. What's sad is, Romney's is this year's McCain
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2012 at 09:44
I think Romney will fare better than McCain, and will obviously have a stronger VP.  It's hard to like the guy though, he's so artificial feeling.  Santorum will not last.  Perry and Bachmann will be gone soon.  This is between Romney and Paul now,  with Gingrich and Santorum tagging along hoping Romney crashes. 
 
One interesting thing will be if Huntsman can get a "surge" going with a good  showing in NH. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2012 at 10:54
The key with Santorum isn't the candidate it's the media's coverage of him.  FOXNews and the radio neocons are going to rally around him while the mainstreamers pump him as the "conservative" challenger to the Mittster because they know his chances in a national election are laughable.  There was a reason the entire media body pumped him up leading up to yesterday.  Running on a platform of theocracy and christian jihad can win you the support of enough evangelicals to gather 25% of the vote in a heavily evangelical state but it's not something we'd have to worry about as the primary goes on..... unless the MSM and Hannitys, Limbaughs, and Becks of the world kid glove him with their coverage and treat him with more respect than is deserved of an absolute loon.
 
People need to get their anti-war and pro-civil liberty friends out to their state's republican primary, at all cost.  We can't survive much longer with under this one-party system of warfare and welfare.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2012 at 13:37
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:


Thoughts on this ruling/issue, gentlemen?

I'm torn, I believe. Though I do tend to lean libertarian in ways, I'm starting to believe the betterment of society deserves more importance than I have previously given it. If that means limiting corporate money in political campaigns at times at the expense of reducing "speech" for corporations (is donating money even "speech"?), I might be ok with it.



Oh damn Drew, you really let yourself get that individualistic? (Was gunna say selfish but that wouldn't sound as nice would it?). I mean, I'm assuming the libertarians here believe the philosophy would better society but you are now thinking it "deserves more importance"? sh*t, what were you previously thinking? Everyone for themselves, f**k yall?

Sorry to be so crass but yeah.

As for my thoughts, no surprise here: It's well established I subscribe to the "betterment of society" thing even if some rights need to impacted, and I am not exactly a fan of corporate influence....so I would really like to see a limit of corporate money in campaigns.

It already dominates our politics, not even sure that can be fixed so at least stop even more from pouring inLOL
Outside influence killed any slight chance of public healthcare, and it caused one Congressman to almost kill the bill to audit the Fed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melvin_Watt

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