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progprogprog
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Posted: January 03 2012 at 15:47 |
Snow Dog wrote:
You didn't get it and you did think he was serious. That much is clear.
edit/ But you are correct. You were answering Dean about his part about you. Sorry, bit tired. And a cold.
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Hope you'll be fine soon
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Always thinking in extremes.That's my way to beat boredom.
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Clepsydra
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Posted: January 03 2012 at 15:43 |
I hate Prog! As a matter of fact, I don't even know why I am here? Now, where the hell are my Village People albums??!! (I would be dead without Prog!!! )
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rushfan4
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Posted: January 03 2012 at 15:05 |
You guys are a hoot and a half.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 03 2012 at 14:55 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
You didn't get it and you did think he was serious. That much is clear. |
And put some friggin clothes on dammit.
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Yes.....we don't want to see your manhood!
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: January 03 2012 at 14:54 |
Snow Dog wrote:
You didn't get it and you did think he was serious. That much is clear. |
And put some friggin clothes on dammit.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 03 2012 at 14:53 |
You didn't get it and you did think he was serious. That much is clear.
edit/ But you are correct. You were answering Dean about his part about you. Sorry, bit tired. And a cold.
Edited by Snow Dog - January 03 2012 at 15:14
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progprogprog
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Posted: January 03 2012 at 14:48 |
Snow Dog wrote:
progprogprog wrote:
Dean wrote:
here the guy was called progprogprog and I said "you need to change your username" - a dumb passive joke that he didn't get it and thought I was being serious so I said (words to the effect of) there is more to prog than just 1970s non-electronic Prog ... so he should be called progprogprog for example.
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I did get that you were being sarcastic, and if you retrieve my response to your post, it was "And your right about my username, I should delete the two last prog ".The wink!, you know.
Jee, communicating is very hard on the net.
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Dean is clearly addressing Moshkito here and not you. |
Consider the Bold/Italic/Underlined part.
Told ya, It's hard
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 03 2012 at 14:35 |
progprogprog wrote:
Dean wrote:
here the guy was called progprogprog and I said "you need to change your username" - a dumb passive joke that he didn't get it and thought I was being serious so I said (words to the effect of) there is more to prog than just 1970s non-electronic Prog ... so he should be called progprogprog for example.
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I did get that you were being sarcastic, and if you retrieve my response to your post, it was "And your right about my username, I should delete the two last prog ".The wink!, you know.
Jee, communicating is very hard on the net.
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Dean is clearly addressing Moshkito here and not you.
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progprogprog
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Posted: January 03 2012 at 14:34 |
Dean wrote:
here the guy was called progprogprog and I said "you need to change your username" - a dumb passive joke that he didn't get it and thought I was being serious so I said (words to the effect of) there is more to prog than just 1970s non-electronic Prog ... so he should be called progprogprog for example.
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I did get that you were being sarcastic, and if you retrieve my response to your post, it was "And your right about my username, I should delete the two last prog ".The wink!, you know.
Jee, communicating is very hard on the net.
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Always thinking in extremes.That's my way to beat boredom.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: January 03 2012 at 14:31 |
Dean wrote:
And while I'm an not a fan of Dream Theater myself, I do recognise that Mike Mangini has some talent as a drummer and would not call him a clown. |
Maybe he plays one in his spare time?
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: January 03 2012 at 14:20 |
^^
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Help me I'm falling!
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 03 2012 at 14:17 |
^
That facepalm sig just gets more and more relevant.
Edited by Snow Dog - January 03 2012 at 14:17
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Dean
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Posted: January 03 2012 at 14:11 |
moshkito wrote:
Dean wrote:
Logic be damned - it was a insignificant dead-pan joke made late at night in my characteristically sardonic manner - it amused me, like calling yourself "ELP-fan" but not liking Lake's singing or Palmer's drumming. |
You are obviously misquoting someone else ... I happen to appreciate both a lot more than Keith's keyboards ... and I still think that Greg's style of speaking poetry, instead of "singing" is way better than a lot people give him credit for. When he tried to "sing" in his first solo album is when he stunk up the carpet badly! And nope ... I happen to like Palmer a lot ... and appreciate the 14 toms all around. My roomate had the same drum setup and we had a lot of fun, and ... yeah ... compared to moron time keepers like that clown in DT ... sorry ... Palmer is magnificent and a heck of a lot more than just a mindless metronome that is not even listening to the lyrics to help accentuate them!
Dean ... have a noodle!
(Yeah yeah ... I know you're trying to give them up!) |
Oh for the pity's sake, you know a joke has failed when you have to explain it - I wasn't referring to you as an ELP fan you numpty, it was an example of saying that *someone* liked three things, or a trio of things in that example, but only really liked one of them - here the guy was called progprogprog and I said "you need to change your username" - a dumb passive joke that he didn't get it and thought I was being serious so I said (words to the effect of) there is more to prog than just 1970s non-electronic Prog ... so he should be called prog progprog for example. I wasn't saying you were an ELP fan (I have no idea whether you like them or not, and I'm not that interested either) - it was a general hypothetical "you".
And while I'm an not a fan of Dream Theater myself, I do recognise that Mike Mangini has some talent as a drummer and would not call him a clown.
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darkshade
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Posted: January 03 2012 at 13:59 |
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I don't think so ... for me it's more that bands like Dream Theater are catering to a metal audience, or that Mars Volta are catering to a New York lounge lizard audience only, and that ... etc, etc, ... and since these bands have enough fans to help them pay the bills and get going ... they don';t need ProgArchives or SchmoProg to tell them what is and what isn't ... that simple ... and I find that good all around ... because it is likely to give the bands an independent feel ... but I also think that in the end, it might take their edge off, since they are not listening to anyone or anything any further than fans that want the same thing over and over again.
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This isn't necessarily true, at least not for the 2 bands you mentioned. DT in fact paid attention to their fans about their likes and dislikes for previous albums and delivered an album that satisfied their core audience metal AND prog fans alike, and even brought some naysayers back into the mix. Say what you want, they do different things every album. When Portnoy was still in the band, they were starting to market their music to the metal audience, but now I'd say it's equally marketed to both metal and prog. With TMV, well, we're waiting on a new album, but I think they also pay attention to what people say about them, and they are not big enough to not need prog archives and other sites. If the band were to make a(nother) stinker of an album (which they almost did the last time around), they could easily lose many fans and be at the level that most other modern bands are at.
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moshkito
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Posted: January 03 2012 at 13:51 |
Dean wrote:
Logic be damned - it was a insignificant dead-pan joke made late at night in my characteristically sardonic manner - it amused me, like calling yourself "ELP-fan" but not liking Lake's singing or Palmer's drumming. |
You are obviously misquoting someone else ... I happen to appreciate both a lot more than Keith's keyboards ... and I still think that Greg's style of speaking poetry, instead of "singing" is way better than a lot people give him credit for. When he tried to "sing" in his first solo album is when he stunk up the carpet badly! And nope ... I happen to like Palmer a lot ... and appreciate the 14 toms all around. My roomate had the same drum setup and we had a lot of fun, and ... yeah ... compared to moron time keepers like that clown in DT ... sorry ... Palmer is magnificent and a heck of a lot more than just a mindless metronome that is not even listening to the lyrics to help accentuate them!
Dean ... have a noodle!
(Yeah yeah ... I know you're trying to give them up!)
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moshkito
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Posted: January 03 2012 at 13:47 |
Hi,
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I guess a lot of prog fans are more fans of progressivity, i.e. not of prog as a music style, if we mean with prog all rock-related music that goes beyond the most common features of rock/pop music. That progressivity was more often found in the old prog rock of the late 60's / early to mid 70's, when artistic thinking in rock was not ridiculed by the music press, than nowadays when 9/10 bands sound unimaginative.
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Yes, no and maybe. There was just as much out there that made fun of it, and even Melody Maker, who I will give credit for helping develop and extend the "progressive" wording, had its moments and I have a large amount of reviews of a lot of bands that is ... rather sad review ... in fact, it is not a review at all!
Today, there are just as many, if not more, however, the ability for you and I to listen to it is multiplied a hundredfold and then some ... in those days it was all via the whisper telegraph and if you were lucky enough to hear someone say something about that band in Buenos Aires ... which is one of my contentions and a serious issue ... that no one else except the European continent and America can even consider "progressive" or "prog" at all ... because they were not in the media happy centers around the world.
Sadly, because of this, a lot of folks did not get noticed. But their influences are imeesurable when you go hear Miles Davis and so many others talk about African music this and that (and many others) and you wonder where the connection is ... with jazz? ... it was the same thing in Brazil, with Jobim, Nascimento and so many others, but Anglo-files will not consider that music valuable or important because they have not studied it or learned it enough to know where the connections seem to be.
Today, these barriers are gone, and we have a chance to learn more ... with the exception that most people are so stuck on the anglican view of the whole thing, and even more stuck on the "fan thing" that discussing anything that is not considered "progressive" or "prog" because it comes from Mars, or Vulcan, or Kobaia ... is quite impossible ... because it does not compare to the "founding fathers" of gawd, or God!
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Nowadays I think there are even more prog bands than there used to be 40 years ago, but very few of them are progressive in their thinking - and I think that is the thing that makes you lose your interest.
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I don't think so ... for me it's more that bands like Dream Theater are catering to a metal audience, or that Mars Volta are catering to a New York lounge lizard audience only, and that ... etc, etc, ... and since these bands have enough fans to help them pay the bills and get going ... they don';t need ProgArchives or SchmoProg to tell them what is and what isn't ... that simple ... and I find that good all around ... because it is likely to give the bands an independent feel ... but I also think that in the end, it might take their edge off, since they are not listening to anyone or anything any further than fans that want the same thing over and over again.
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I agree with you that there's so much more to find in jazz and classical music. For example the new generation of Nordic jazz musicians (esp. Norway, Sweden and Finland) are nigh on revolutionizing the genre. And contemporary ... |
Asking some of these progheads to listen to jazz is like pulling teeth on an idiot dragon! ... bad breath and worse words! Not to mention yet another quote that the masters are the same three bands !!!
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Dean
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Posted: January 03 2012 at 13:43 |
moshkito wrote:
Dean wrote:
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Not yet. It takes a lot to piss me off and I don't recommend trying. Judging by your posts thus far I don't think that you justify three Prog's in your name since you don't like anything post 1980 or anything electronic, which accounts for at least 2/3rds of all Prog. |
Oh my gawd ... LOGIC!
Hahaha ... you're right, of course! |
Logic be damned - it was a insignificant dead-pan joke made late at night in my characteristically sardonic manner - it amused me, like calling yourself "ELP-fan" but not liking Lake's singing or Palmer's drumming.
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moshkito
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Posted: January 03 2012 at 13:15 |
Dean wrote:
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Not yet. It takes a lot to piss me off and I don't recommend trying. Judging by your posts thus far I don't think that you justify three Prog's in your name since you don't like anything post 1980 or anything electronic, which accounts for at least 2/3rds of all Prog. |
Oh my gawd ... LOGIC!
Hahaha ... you're right, of course!
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Padraic
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Posted: January 03 2012 at 13:02 |
BaldFriede wrote:
I must say I lose interest in prog. It just does not interest me anymore what new albums come out, with the odd exception. Jazz and classical music are much more interesting, in my opinion.. There is so much music to discover which expands my mind more than prog; why, completely exploring the works of Johann Sebastian Bach lone seems to be a task that would take a lifetime but would be much more fulfilling than wasting my time with so-called "new" prog albums which are more or less just an endless repetition of what has already been said.
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Are you losing interest in prog, or in rock music? If the former, what current non-prog rock artists interest you?
If the latter, such things aren't too surprising. This basically happened to my father, minus the jazz.
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Jake Kobrin
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Posted: January 03 2012 at 12:58 |
BaldFriede wrote:
I must say I lose interest in prog. It just does not interest me anymore what new albums come out, with the odd exception. Jazz and classical music are much more interesting, in my opinion.. There is so much music to discover which expands my mind more than prog; why, completely exploring the works of Johann Sebastian Bach lone seems to be a task that would take a lifetime but would be much more fulfilling than wasting my time with so-called "new" prog albums which are more or less just an endless repetition of what has already been said.
What's more: I hate the way albums are being produced these days; they all sound extremely sterile. Each instrument clearly separated from the other. Some audio freaks may rejoice about that, but that is not what music sounds like when it is being played live. The instruments all mingle then; there are multiple reverberations and fractions of sound, and this is what makes music sound "alive"; so much nicer for my ears.
I know many of you will disagree and come up with examples of what I absolutely "have" to hear. And I know equally well that I will listen to it, shrug and say "so what?"
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So what's the problem? You aren't as interested in prog as used to be, and there's nothing wrong with that. Life is an ever changing stream of interests. Even if you became totally uninterested in music in general, I still wouldn't think it was a problem.
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