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Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:



 
Will be interesting to see what the supposedly civil liberty minded "left" will do in 2012.


I expect they'll ignore this. Or deny it. Isn't that what most people do when their favourite politician endorses a policy based on 'double think' and deception?
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Far be it from me to judge my fellow humans, but I believe I'm correct in calling this person stupid and scum


A getaway car with an empty petrol tank...

I don't think she was really cut out for a life of crime. Stupid b!tch.


The interview she gave scared me.  Just lock her up.  She's insane.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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What really makes me wonder is that American media are allowed to publish his name, his adress, a photo and even a map showing where he lives even before he’s had the chance to defend himself. Next step is the name of the girl (preferrably with a photoConfused.)
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^I don´t get that either...
Innocent until proven guilty huh? Maybe so, but everyone will certainly have the chance to have a go at the guy before they know what really went down.
Oh the luxuries of the free press. Too bad it doesn´t involve any sort of ethical thinking, or maybe just a touch of common decency.
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

I don't think he's saying it would be any different. He's saying that anyone who votes for Obama for a second term is just a complete fool since he's already clearly shown himself to have no principles, no respect for civil liberties, and no intention to end foreign wars.

That's a load of crap by the way.  There's a lot that he's done that we don't agree with.  We will vote for him because anyone the Republicans put up will most definitely be worse.

Foreign wars: Iraq - over, Afghanistan - winding down.
Civil Liberties - agreed - President Obama has been a disaster for civil liberties - Los Angeles ...Jonathan Turley edititorial.

No principles - pure bullcrap and slander.

 I didn't compile this list so there may be some items I don't like or don't think his administration deserves credit for.  But go ahead and pick it apart and tell me why I'd be a fool to vote for him again.

Arts and Culture 
    Increased funding for the National Endowment for the Arts (NEA) to the highest level since 1992.  
    Created an artist corps for public schools.
    Championed the importance of arts education.
    Promoted cultural diplomacy.

Banking and Financial Reorm 
BROAD POLICY:
Established the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and reform.
    Established President’s Advisory Council on Financial Capability to assist in financial education for all Americans.   ,
    Restoring American Financial Stability Act of 2010. 
    Dodd-Frank (DF) Wall Street reform and Consumer Protection Act, the biggest financial reform law since the Great Depression.
    Managed the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP)
    Assigned a Special Inspector General for the Troubled Asset Relief Program Act of 2009.
    Pension relief Act of 2010.
    Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act. 
    Played a lead role in G-20 Summit re: financial crisis.
    reformed deferral rules to curb tax advantages for investing overseas.
    Established new offshore investment policy that promotes in-sourcing. 
FUNDING:
    Cut salaries for 65 bailout executives (Pay Czar).
    Banks have repaid 75% of TARP funds, bringing the cost down to $89B as of June 2010.
    Closed offshore tax safe havens, tax credit loopholes.  ,  ,
TARGETED ACTIONS:
    Created the Financial Stability Oversight Council to monitor stability of the financial system and individual firms (DF).
    New requirements for reporting financial data (DF).
    Created self-funded Office of Financial Research (OFR) to collect information from financial firms (DF).
    OFR employees must wait a year before working for certain financial firms.
    Provided for orderly liquidation of financial companies (DF).
    Limited trading activities of banks (Volcker Rule) beginning 2 yrs after passage (DF).
    Swaps Pushout Rule prevented federal assistance to swaps (including derivatives) traders (DF).
    Derivatives must be traded transparently through a clearing house (DF).
    Defined the amount and nature of assets required to meet capital requirements (DF).
    Originators of asset-backed securities must retain 5% ownership/risk (DF).
    Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection (DF).
    Stronger client fiduciary duty for broker-dealers (DF).
    Higher standards for securities advertising and disclosures (DF).
    Expanded “insider loans” (DF).
    Higher standards for sytemically important ($50 billion assets+) institutions, including annual stress tests and restrictions on bank acquisitions (DF).
    Executive compensation must be determined by an independent committee (DF).
    Issued compensation guidelines for bank executive salary and bonuses.  ,
    Financial agencies must establish Offices of Women and Minorities to promote more diverse hiring (DF).
    Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility and Disclosure Act. 
    Credit CARD Technical Corrections Act of 2009.
    Established a credit card bill of rights.
    reformed credit card swipe fees.
    Created new criminal penalties for mortgage fraud.
    Congress pursued Goldman Sachs for securities violations.
    Permanently extended Research and Experimentation Tax Credit for domestic investments.
RESULTS:
    (Treasury) Sold 1.5 billion shares of Citigroup at a profit.
    G-20 summit produced a $1.1 trillion deal to combat the global financial crisis.
    Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals.
    Financial reform has ‘strongest consumer financial protections in history.’

Civil Rights 
FUNDING:
    Provided $12.2 billion in new funding for the Individuals with Disabilities Act though the American Recovery and investment Act.
TARGETED ACTIONS:
    Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act; Instituted equal pay for women.  
    Presidential Memorandum extending benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees.  ,  ,  ,
    Presidential Memorandum protecting gay and lesbian partners’ visitation/healthcare decision-making rights (4/15/2010).
    Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act to include gender, sexual orientation and disability.
    Supported the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell (DADT).
    Ryan White HIV/AIDS Treatment Extension Act.
    Established White House Council on Women and Girls (Executive Order 13506 ).
    Financial agencies must establish Offices of Women and Minorities to promote more diverse hiring.
    Increased minority access to capital.
    Pushing through settlement in the black farmers lawsuit against USDA. 
    Signed the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities.
    Increased Federal Employment of Individuals with Disabilities (Exec Order)(celebrating 20th anniversary of the ADA). 

Commerce, Trade and technology 
BROAD POLICY:
    Promoted internet freedom as part of U.S. foreign policy.   ,
    Webcaster Settlement Act of 2009.
    Satellite Television Extension Act of 2010.

Commerce, Trade and technology
FUNDING:
    Expanded loan programs for small businesses.
TARGETED ACTION:
    Small Business Act.
    Small Business Investment Act.
    Proposed tougher meat industry antitrust rules.  ,
    Denied federal contracts to tax delinquents.
    Appointed the nation’s first Chief Technology Officer.
    Established Federal IT Dashboard.
    Modernized the USA.gov portal to connect people to the services they require.
    Launched the National Export Initiative, with the goal of doubling US exports by 2015.  ,
    Provided National Export Initiative/Progress report and named President’s Export Council. 
    Launched piracy crackdown.
    Conservation 
BROAD POLICY:
    Morris K. Udall Scholarship and Excellence in National Environmental Policy Amendments Act of 2009.
    Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009.
    North American Wetlands Conservation Act.
    Stewardship of the Ocean (established National Ocean Council ), our Coasts and the Great Lakes (Executive Order).
    Federal Leadership in Environmental, Energy and Economic Performance (Executive Order). 
    Established partnerships to share environmental technology with other countries.

Conservation
FUNDING:
    Increased funding for the Land and Water Conservation Fund.
    Increased funding for national parks and forests.
    $175 million of ARRA allocated for water conservation, $135 million of that in the West.
TARGETED AREAS:
    Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic. 
    Expanded access to places to hunt and fish.
    Chesapeake Bay Protection and Restoration (Executive Order). 
    Led effort to phase out whaling.
    Pursued a wildfire management plan.
    Encouraged more controlled burns to reduce wildfires.
    Ordered removal of more brush, small trees and vegetation that fuel wildfires.
    Economy 
BROAD POLICY:
    The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (ARRA): a $789 billion economic stimulus plan.
    US auto industry rescue plan. 
    Start-Up activity now higher than it was during the dotcom boom.
    Created task force to fight deficit.
    Worker, Homeownership, and Business Assistance Act of 2009.
    Temporary extension of programs under the Small Business Act and the Small Business Investment Act of 1958.

Economy
FUNDING:
    Increased minority access to capital.
    $26 billion aid to states package (Aug 2010).
TARGETED ACTIONS:
    Raised the small business investment limit to $250,000 through the end of 2009.
    Created an Advanced Manufacturing Fund to invest in peer-reviewed manufacturing processes.
    Improper Payments Elimination and Recovery Act – establishes a Federal “Do Not Pay” list.
    Extended and indexed the 2007 Alternative Minimum Tax patch.
    Adopted Economic Substance tax doctrine.
    Extended unemployment insurance benefits and temporarily suspend taxes on these benefits. 
    Economy grew 5.9% in 4th quarter.
    U.S. Economy: Manufacturing grew by most since 2004.
    U.S. GDP up 3.2% in first quarter.
    Consumer spending showed biggest rise in 3 years.
    Orders for most durable goods rose.
    Wholesale inventories and sales rose in March.
    $26 billion state aid bill triggered a surge of private municipal investment.
EXHIBITS – THE STIMULUS ONE YEAR LATER:
    Success of the stimulus–how do you illustrate ‘could have been worse’?
    Distribution of ARRA funds by year.
    Need for financial education: Investors who act on their own do worse than T-bills; market timers earn negative returns.
    Consumer debt patterns (revolving and non-revolving) through end of 2009.
    Growth of the national debt from 2000-2009.
    Bar chart showing increases in national debt by President (since Carter).
    Pie chart: 2009 annual deficit contrasting large Bush tax cuts and relatively small ARRA.
    THE LEGACY: AUGUST 2010
    The Economy Has Been Growing – seasonally adjusted change in GDP by quarter 2007-2010.
    The Private Sector Has Begun to Add Jobs – Monthly change in nonfarm employment 2008-2010.
    GDP would have been lower without the Recovery Act (2007-2013 projection) (scroll down to Part III to see chart).
    Unemployment would have been higher without ARRA (2008-2010).
    The gap between actual and full-employment GDP would have been much larger without TARP and ARRA (2008-2010).
MISCELLANEOUS EXHIBITS:
    Public Sector Lost 316,000 jobs October 09-July 10 (state aid negotiated out of ARRA by GOP).

Education: College 
BROAD POLICY:
    Enacted largest reform of student aid in 40 years. 
    Health Care and Education Affordability Reconciliation Act of 2010.
    Established President’s Advisory Council on Financial Capability to assist in financial education for all Americans.  
FUNDING:
    Increased funding for land-grant college.
    Provided means for students struggling to make college loan payments to inance.
TARGETED ACTIONS:
    Expanded Pell grants for low-income students.
    Expanded Pell grant pool by eliminating private lender subsidies for student loans.


Education: Health of Children
BROAD POLICY:
    Created the Race to the Top Fund ($4.35 billion) to reward States that create comprehensive education reform plans.
    Children’s Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2009 .
    FUNDING:
    Provided funding for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools.
    Established State Equalization Fund; new funds for school construction (ARRA).
    Provided $77 Billion for reforms to to strengthen Elementary and Secondary education.
    Fully funded the Community Development Block Grant (CDBG).
    Provided $12.2 billion in new funding for the Individuals with Disabilities Act through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.
    $26 billion state aid package saved 160,000 teacher jobs (Aug 2010)
    Provided over $2.3 billion in additional funding to Head Start and Early Head Start programs in 2009.
    Provided $5 billion dollars for Early Learning Programs under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.
    Roughly doubled the amount available in Federal Child Care Block Grants.
    Established “Promise Neighborhood” Grants (modeled after the Harlem Children’s Zone).  ,
    Eliminated abstinence-only funding in budget. 
TARGETED ACTIONS:
    Helped rebuild schools in New Orleans.
    Established school programs to highlight space and science achievements.
    Recruited math and science degree graduates to the teaching profession.
    Expanded the Nurse-Family Partnership to all low-income, first-time mothers .
    Provided affordable, high-quality child care.
    Unveiled initiatives to help men be better fathers.

Employment: Jobs
BROAD POLICY:
    Jobs for Main Street Act (2010).
    American Jobs and Closing Tax Loopholes Act of 2010.
    National Export Initiative
FUNDING:
    (DOL) Dedicated $100 million in Energy Training Partnership green jobs training grants.
    (DOL) Dedicated $150 million for Pathways Out of Poverty green jobs training grants.
    $33 billion-dollar jobs package (March 2010).  ,
    $26 billion aid to states package (Aug 2010).
    $5,000 tax credit for every new worker.
    New Health IT Workforce Grants (ARRA).
TARGETED ACTIONS:
    Job training programs in clean technologies for displaced workers.
    Green Vet Initiative to promote environmental jobs for veterans.
    Financial agencies must establish Offices of Women and Minorities to promote more diverse hiring (DF).
    Recruited math and science degree graduates to the teaching profession.
    Initiated a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses. 
    Required new hires to sign a form affirming their hiring was not due to political affiliations or contributions. 
RESULTS:
    CBO found 3.7 Million jobs created by stimulus (May 2010).
    Job loss exploded under Bush, improves under Obama.
    682,370 jobs created under the Recovery Act Between January 1 — March 31,2010.  
    New jobless claims tumble.
    March payrolls surge by 162,000 US says .
    March jobs data showed biggest growth in three years .
    U.S. economy added 90000 jobs in April .
    Jobless rates dropped in 34 states and DC (AP).

Energy: Green 
BROAD POLICY:
    Established an Energy Partnership for the Americas.
    Established the Biofuels Working Group to develop a comprehensive approach to alternative fuels.
    Additional measures to advance clean energy/solar investments and job creation (ARRA).
    Launched new Climate Service.
    Worked toward deploying a global climate change research and monitoring system.
    Implemented renewable fuels mandate of 36 billion gallons by 2022.
FUNDING:
    More than doubled federal spending for research on clean fuels.
    $60 billion in spending and tax incentives for renewable and clean energy.
    Invested in all types of alternative energy.
    Increased funding for the Environmental Protection Agency.
    Invested $2 billion in solar power, hailed new jobs.  
    Established consumer tax credit for plug-in hybrid cars. 
    Provided grants to encourage energy-efficient building codes.
    Doubled funding for bicycling, walking projects 
    (DOL) Dedicated $100 million in Energy Training Partnership green jobs training grants.
    (DOL) Dedicated $150 million for Pathways Out of Poverty green jobs training grants.
    $8 billion combined public/pvt funding committed to develop Smart Power Grid (part of ARRA).
    Incentivized farmers to use more renewable energy and be more energy efficient.
TARGETED ACTIONS:
    Purchased fuel efficient American-made fleet for the federal government.
    Ordered 5,000 hybrids for federal fleet.
    (NIST) Completed first release of Smart Grid framework.
    Created job training programs in clean technologies for displaced workers.
    Created Green Vet Initiative to promote environmental jobs for veterans.
    Established program to convert manufacturing centers into clean technology leaders.
RESULTS:
    First President to create detailed vision for clean energy economy.
    Wind power growth up 39% due to government stimulus.
    Study: Almost 5 million charging stations by 2015.

Energy: Old 
BROAD POLICY:
    Ended the previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions.
    Created Interagency Task Force on Carbon Capture and Storage.
    Set national standards for fuel economy and first ever greenhouse gas emission levels for passenger cars and light trucks.
    Set smog limit: new strict proposal to replace Bush-era rule (EPA). 
    Regulated greenhouse gases for large industrial sources (EPA).
    Raised fuel economy standards.
    Required states to provide incentives for utilities to reduce energy consumption.
    Allowed states to enact tougher fuel efficiency standards than federal standards.
    Established Blue Ribbon Commission on America’s Nuclear Future.
FUNDING:
    Pledged more than $8 billion for new nuclear reactors.
    Tax breaks to promote public transit.
TARGETED ACTIONS:
    Dismantled the Minerals Management Service, cutting ties between industry and government.  ,
    Reengaged in global warming and greenhouse gas emissions talks. 
    Offered 17% U.S. emissions cuts at climate summit.
    Pledged 28% cut in federal greenhouse gas emissions by 2020.
    Expanded greenhouse gas reduction targets for Federal operations -13% reduction from indirect sources by 2020.
    (FTC) Toughened anti-greenwashing rules.
    Instituted “Cash for Clunkers” to spur auto sales and promote fuel efficiency . 
    Ordered inspections of mines with poor safety records.
    Closed loophole that allowed drilling in Rockies without environmental review.
    (EPA) Sharply limited mountaintop mining.
    (EPA) Announced historic plans to regulate coal ash.
    Required electric utilities to produce 20% of their electricity demand from renewable energy sources by 2020.
    (EPA) Limited mercury emissions. 

Energy: Oil 
BROAD POLICY:
    Introduced Oil Spill Recovery Bill to remove oil company liability cap. 
    Created offshore drilling safety review board.
    Created new drilling agency with investigative arm.
    Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations and reports.
FUNDING:
    Ordered $20 billion escrow fund by BP to reimburse lost incomes in Gulf.
    Ordered $100 million to compensate those hurt by drilling moratorium.
TARGETED ACTIONS:
    Dismantled the Minerals Management Service, cutting ties between industry and government.  ,
    Mandated new safety rules for offshore drilling.
    Opened civil and criminal investigations into Gulf oil spill. 
    (Congress) Launched investigation into gas drilling practices.
    Established the National Commission on the BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill and Offshore Drilling.
    Amended Oil Pollution Act of 1990 authorizing advances from Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund for the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.
    Expanded oil rig workers’ families abilities to sue and recover.
    Fined BP subsidiary $5.2 million for false reporting.
    (EPA) Barred Texas’ authority to issue inery operating permits.

Foreign Affairs and International Relations 
BROAD POLICY:
    Re-established the United States standing in the world.  
    Poll: World’s opinion of U.S. has “improved sharply” under Obama.
    47 nations rise to Obama’s challenge at US nuke summit and agree to four years of non-proliferation efforts.
    Visited more countries and world leaders than any first year president.
    G-20 Summit produced a $1.1 trillion deal to combat the global financial crisis.
    Launched an international Add Value to Agriculture initiative (AVTA).
    Created a rapid response fund for emerging democracies.
    Bolstered the military’s ability to speak different languages.
BY REGION:
    West Hem: Returned the rights of Americans to visit and assist their families in Cuba.  ,  ,
    Middle East: Appointed envoys to the Middle East and AFPAK affirming the power of American diplomacy.
    Middle East: Renewed loan guarantees for Israel.
    Middle East: Pledged $400 million in aid to Gaza civillians.
    Middle East: Pressured Israel to end Gaza blockade.
    Middle East: used to give Israel a “green light” to strike Iran, augmenting Mid-East stability.
    Middle East: Iran Sanctions Act.
    Asia: Authorized President Bill Clinton’s mission to secure the release of two Americans held in North Korea.
    Asia: Authorized discussions with Myanmar and mission by Sen. Jim Webb to secure the release of an American held captive.
    Asia: Renewed import restrictions under Burmese Freedom and Democracy Act of 2003.
    Asia: Nuclear arms agreements with India (5/4/2010).
    Africa: Lord’s Resistance Army Disarmament and Northern Uganda Recovery Act of 2009.
    Africa: Helped stabilize Somalia (Exec Order).
    Aus: Nuclear arms agreements with Australia (5/5/2010).
    Europe: Nuclear arms agreement with Russia.  ,  
    Europe: Agreed with Switzerland to bolster tax information exchange 

Government Efficiency 
BROAD POLICY:
    Established the President’s Management Advisory Board.
    Streamlined and modernized government to save taxpayer dollars.
    Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations and reports.
SPECIFIC CUTS:
    Cut salaries of senior White House aides.
    Made $20 Billion in budget cuts.
    Provided that Members of Congress shall not receive a cost of living adjustment in pay during fiscal year 2011.  
    Eliminated F-22 fighter jet program after lobbying Senate vote to strip financing for more jets from a defense funding authorization bill.  
    Canceled contract for new Presidential helicopter fleet (28 helicopters, $11.2 billion).
OTHER TARGETED ACTIONS:
    Enhanced payment accuracy through a “Do Not Pay” list.
    Cracked down on tax cheats (Exec Order).
    Returned taxpayer monies for urbishment of White House offices and living quarters.  ,
    Established the USA.gov portal connecting people to the services they require.

Health and Wellness 
BROAD POLICY:
    Established HealthCare.gov, a web portal for determining and comparing all consumer health insurance and health care options 
    Established an independent health institute to provide accurate and objective information.
    Established the National Prevention, Health Promotion, and Public Health Council . 
    Established President’s Council on Fitness, Sports and Nutrition.
    Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules.
    Implemented a National HIV/AIDS Strategy 7/13/10
FUNDING:
    Provided $20 billion increase for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program.
    Provided $500 million in expanded funding for Health Professions Training Programs. 
    Provided funding to strengthen hospital preparedness and emergency response
    Expanded funding to train primary care providers and public health practitioners.
    Increased funding to expand community based prevention prog: rams.
TARGETED ACTIONS:
    First Lady Michelle Obama kicked off anti-obesity effort.
    Established a New Patient’s Bill of Rights.
    Established Patient Safety and Medical Liability Demonstration Projects.  ,
    Questioned Prestigious Hospitals in Electronic Health Records Probe (DHHS).
    Established Standards For Accessible Medical Diagnostic Equipment
    Expanded vaccination programs.  ,
    Signed the Ryan White HIV/AIDS Treatment Extension Act of 2009.
    Engaged global efforts on HIV/AIDS issues.
    (FDA) Now regulating tobacco. 
    Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act.
    (FDA) Ordered Tobacco Companies to Disclose Cigarette Ingredients.  ,  ,
    Banned sale of “light” cigarettes.
    Increased Federal Employment of Individuals with Disabilities (Exec Order)(celebrating 20th anniversary of the ADA). 
    (FDA) to discuss stricter guidelines for tanning beds due to skin cancer.
    (FDA) Issued new guidance limiting antibiotic use in cattle to preserve efficacy in humans (6/28/2010).
    FDA) Reconsidered safety of Bisphenol A, initiates study.
    Health Care reform (See also Taxes) 
    BROAD POLICY:
    Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act // Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 (March 2010). 
    Required large employers to contribute to a national health plan.
    Required insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions.  ,
    Required health plans to disclose how much of the premium goes to patient care.
    Established an independent health institute to provide accurate and objective information.
    Provided minimum essential health care coverage by Veteran’s Affairs.
    Expanded eligibility for State Children’s Health Insurance Fund (SCHIP). 
    Prevented children from being used health insurance coverage.
    Established Early Retiree Reinsurance Program.
    Increased regulation of drug manufacturers. 
    Cut prescription drug costs for Medicare recipients by 50% and began eliminating the plan’s gap (“donut hole”) in coverage.
    TRICARE Affirmation Act.
    Extended COBRA (Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act) to provide for a continuation of health care.  
    Medicare Physician Payment reform Act of 2009.  ,  , 

Housing 
BROAD POLICY:
    Unveiled $275 billion dollar housing plan
    Established “Opening Doors” – a federal strategic plan to prevent and end homelessness.  ,
FUNDING:
    Provided $510 Million for the rehabilitation of Native American housing.
    Provided $2 billion for Neighborhood Stabilization Program .
    Provided $5 billion for Weatherization Assistance Program for low income families.
    Provided grants to encourage energy-efficient building codes.
TARGETED ACTIONS:
    Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act.
    Helping Families Save Their Homes Act, helping millions avoid foreclosure . 
    Established the Making Home Affordable Plan, which will provide for the inance or loan modification for 9 Million homeowners.
RESULTS:
    New-home sales saw biggest jump in 47 years. 
    Foreclosures fall 2%.

Humanitarianism 
BROAD POLICY:
    Supported the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell (DADT).
    Civil Rights History Project Act of 2009. 
FUNDING:
    Accelerated tax benefits for charitable cash contributions for Haiti earthquake relief.
    Made Haiti donations tax deductible for 2009.
    $60 million for flood victims in Pakistan (8/19/10).
TARGETED ACTIONS:
    The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act; instituted equal pay for women.  
    Presidential Memorandum extending benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees.   
    Increased federal employment of individuals with disabilities (Exec Order)(celebrating 20th anniversary of the ADA). 
    Presidential Memorandum extending benefits to Same-Sex Partners of Federal Employees.   
    Presidential Memorandum protecting gay and lesbian partners’ visitation/healthcare decision-making rights (4/15/2010).
    The Ryan White HIV/AIDS Treatment Extension Act.
    Awarded the Presidential Medal of freedom to Harvey Milk and Billie Jean King.
    The Daniel Pearl Freedom of the Press Act, advancing press freedom and safety for journalists. 
    The Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act to include gender, sexual orientation and disability.
    Established White House Council on Women and Girls (Executive Order 13506 ).
    Awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize.
    Signed the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities.
    The Native American Heritage Day Act of 2009.
    Appointed an American Indian policy adviser.
    Immigration 
    Requested emergency funding of $600 million for Border Security.
    Deployed more drones on Mexico border (Homeland Security).
    Deported higher numbers of Illegal Immigrants.

Infrastructure 
BROAD POLICY:
    Introduced plan to expand broadband Internet across U.S. 
FUNDING:
    $8 billion combined public/private funding committed to develop Smart Power Grid (ARRA.)
    $800 million to fund rapid rollout of rural broadband expansion (7/2010).
    Provided funding for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools.
    Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect.
    $290 million in funding for 53 grants to “fund new streetcars, buses, and transit facilities.” 
    Invested $13 Billion (ARRA: $8B + $1B 5-year federal budget) in high speed rail projects in 13 major corridors  
    Provided grants to encourage energy-efficient building codes.
    Created a social investment fund network.
    Funded a major expansion of AmeriCorps.
TARGETED ACTIONS:
    (NIST) Completed first release of Smart Grid framework.
    Opened 500 MHz of wireless spectrum over next 10 years to expand wireless/mobile broadband use.
    Commenced 10,000th road project, Columbus, OH (part of ARRA); June 2010.  ,
    Airport and Airway Extension Act.
    Initiated modification to Sanitary Sewer Overflow (SSO) regulations. 
    Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act, which expands the volunteer program.  
RESULTS:
    Study: Almost 5 million charging stations by 2015.
    10,000th highway project (ARRA).
   
Labor 
    Established POWER Initiative – protects government workers, ensures reemployment, reduces worker’s comp claims and payments.
    Restored funding to the EEOC and the U.S. Department of Labor’s Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs.

Law and Justice 
BROAD POLICY:
    Outlined new federal drug control policy. 
    Ordered review of mandatory minimum sentences.
FUNDING:
    Restored funding for the Byrne Justice Assistance Grant (Byrne/JAG) program.
TARGETED ACTIONS:
    Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court. 
    Appointed first black Attorney General, Eric Holder.
    Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act to include gender, sexual orientation and disability.
    Established crimes programs for the new Orleans area.
    Brought greter alignment to sentencing guidelines for powdered versus crack cocaine.
    Denounced SCOTUS ruling in Citizens United.
    Pushing through settlement in the Black Farmers Lawsuit against USDA . 
    DTV Delay Act.
    Criminal History Background Checks Pilot Extension Act of 2009.
    Tribal Law and Order Act.   
    RESULTS:
    U.S. jail population declined for first time in decades.

Medicaid/Medicare/Social Security 
BROAD POLICY:
    Established independent commission to make recommendations on slowing the costs of Medicare.
    Social Security Disability Applicant Access to Professional Representation Act of 2010.
FUNDING:
    Eliminated higher subsidies to Medicare Advantage plans.
TARGETED ACTIONS:
    Medicare Physician Payment reform Act of 2009.   
    Cut prescription drug costs for Medicare recipients by 50% and began eliminating the plan’s gap (“donut hole”) in coverage.
    Preserved access to care for Medicare beneficiaries
    Expanded eligibility for Medicaid.

Military and National Security 
BROAD POLICY:
    Began restructuring the military to lect present day threats and technology.
    Recommitted the U.S. to a policy of “no torture” and full compliance with the Geneva Conventions.
    All servicepeople receive education in a region’s culture and language before deployment there (a soldier said this on Maddow).
    Supported the Repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell (DADT).  ,
    Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date.
    Established new cyber security office. 
    Defense Production Act Reauthorization of 2009.
    Weapons Systems Acquisition reform Act.
    Nuclear Forensics and Attribution Act.
FUNDING:
    Cut the missile defense program by $1.4 billion in 2010.
    Eliminated F-22 fighter jet program after lobbying Senate vote to strip financing for more jets from a defense funding authorization bill.  
    Canceled contract for new Presidential helicopter fleet (28 helicopters, $11.2 billion).
    $1.1 Billion for improving airport security.
    Increased pay and benefits for military personnel.
BY REGION/THEATER:
    AF Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan. 
    AF Set troop pullout in Afghanistan to begin in summer 2011.  ,
    AF Established Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing, prioritizes aid
    AF infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices.
    AF Ordered military to withdraw fast food establishments from Afghan bases.
    IQ Ended combat mission (remaining personnel are nonagressive) 8/18/10
    SOM Increased US Navy patrols off Somali coast.
    SOM Ordered SEAL operation that resulted in killing of three terrorists and the release of US captain held by Somali pirates.
    Closed secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere.  ,
    Opened door to space arms treaty. 
    Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation talks, building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols.
    Executive Order Optimizing the Security of Biological Select Agents and Toxins in the US.
    Caught more Taliban Leaders in one month than Bush/Cheney did in six years.
    Negotiated nuclear arms agreements with Australia (5/5/2010), India (5/4/2010), and Russia (5/10/2010).   
    New START treaty and protocol with Medvedev.

Military Veterans and Families 
BROAD POLICY:
    Initiated a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses. 
    Improved benefits for veterans.   
    Interagency Task Force on Veterans Small Business Development .
    Worked to clear the backlog of veterans claims and streamline benefits to those who served.
FUNDING:
    Provided for the expenses of families of to be at Dover AFB when fallen soldiers arrive.
    Donated 250K of Nobel prize money to Fisher House.
    Veterans Health Care Budget reform and Transparency Act of 2009.
    Veterans’ Compensation Cost-of-Living Adjustment Act of 2009.
TARGETED ACTIONS:
    Medal of Honor Commemorative Coin Act of 2009.
    Promoted a bill to award a Congressional Gold Medal to the Women Airforce Service Pilots (“WASP”).
    Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information.  ,   ,
    Military Spouses Residency Relief Act.
    Improved basic housing allowance for military personnel.
    Caregivers and Veterans Omnibus Health Services Act of 2010.
    Provided minimum essential health care coverage by Veteran’s Affairs.
    Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans.
    Korean War Veterans Recognition Act.
    Blinded Veterans Association.
    Major Charles R. Soltes, Jr., O.D. Department of Veterans Affairs Blind Rehabilitation Center.
    Improved access for Veterans to receive PTSD treatment.
    Green Vet Initiative to promote environmental jobs for veterans.

National Disasters and Emergencies 
BROAD POLICY:
    Ordered an extensive review of hurricane and natural disaster preparedness. 
    Memorandum on the Long-Term Gulf Coast Restoration Support Plan
FUNDING:
    Provided $210 Million for building and upgrading fire stations.
    Ordered $20 billion escrow fund by BP to reimburse lost incomes in Gulf.
    Ordered $100 million to compensate those hurt by drilling moratorium.
TARGETED ACTIONS:
    Haiti Economic Lift Program Act of 2010.
    Haiti Debt Relief and Earthquake Recovery Act of 2010.
    Emergency Aid to American Survivors of the Haiti Earthquake Act.
    National Service 
    The Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act — Expands the national volunteer program.   
    Created a Social Investment Fund Network.

Scientific and Medical Research 
BROAD POLICY:
    Removed restrictions and provided support for embryonic stem-cell research and new biomedical research.   
    Extended the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology. 
    Supported Landsat Data Continuity Mission to enhance earth mapping.
FUNDING:
    Provided new federal funding for science and research labs.
    Provided grants to early-career researchers.
TARGETED ACTIONS:
    Appointed an assistant to the president for science and technology policy.
    Optimized the Security of Biological Select Agents and Toxins in the United States

Space Exploration and Space Station 
BROAD POLICY:
    Worked with international allies on International Space Station
    Opened door to space arms treaty. 
    Used the private sector to improve spaceflight
    Supported commercial access to outer space
FUNDING:
    Increased spending to prepare for longer space missions
TARGETED ACTIONS:
    Added another Space Shuttle flight
    Partnered to enhance the potential of the International Space Station
    Used the International Space Station for fundamental biological and physical research
    Determined whether International Space Station can operate after 2016
    Conducted robust research and development on future space missions
   
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    DOD opened access to social media sites (Air Force News).
    DOD will film all interrogations.
    Cracked down on tax cheats (exec order).
    Dismantled the Minerals Management Service, cutting ties between industry and government.  ,
    Established the USA.gov portal connecting people to the services they require
    Daniel Pearl Freedom of the Press Act. 
    White House voluntary disclosure policy – visitor access records/450,000 records to date 

Taxes 
BROAD POLICY:
    Adopted Economic Substance tax doctrine.
    Cracked down on tax cheats (Exec Order).
TARGETED ACTIONS: TAX CREDITS/REDUCTIONS:
    Temporarily suspended taxes on unemployment benefits. 
    Established consumer tax credit for plug-in hybrid cars. 
    $60 billion in spending and tax incentives for renewable and clean energy.
    Tax breaks to promote public transit.
    Extended and indexed the 2007 Alternative Minimum Tax patch.
    Small business teax credits for the cost of health insurance for employees beginning 1/1/10 (HCR).
    2-year temporary tax credit up to $1 billion to encourage investment in new disease prevention and treatment therapies (HCR).
    Income floor for medical expense deductions for individuals age 65 and older (and their spouses) remains at 7.5% through 2016; Raise 7.5% floor to 10% for all others (1/1/13) (HCR)
    Health insurance premium tax credits and subsidies available for those with income up to 4x the federal poverty level (1/1/14) (HCR) 
    Accelerated tax benefits for charitable cash contributions for Haiti earthquake relief.
TARGETED ACTIONS: TAX ASSESSMENTS/INCREASES:
    Made Haiti donations tax deductible for 2009.
    Increased penalty tax of 20% on nonqual distributions from HSA and MSA (1/1/11) (HCR)
    Income tax rates for the highest earners will change from 35 to 39.6 percent. (1/1/11) (HCR)
    Capital gains tax for the highest earners will change from 15 to 20 percent. (1/1/11) (HCR)
    2.3% excise tax on manufacturers and importers of certain medical devices (1/1/13) (HCR)
    For high earners the capital gains tax will rise from 20 to 23.8 percent. (1/1/13) (HCR)
    A 2.35 percent Medicare payroll tax only on wages over the threshold (an increase of 0.9 percent) (1/1/13) (HCR)
    Tax increase for corporations with assets of at least $1 billion (1/1/14) (HCR)
    40% Excise tax on Cadillac health plans (2018) (HCR)
TARGETED ACTIONS: TAX ENFORCEMENT AND ADMINISTRATION:
    Closed offshore tax safe havens, tax credit loopholes
    Employers will report the value of health benefits on W-2s (1/1/11) (HCR)
RESULTS:
    Tax bills hit lowest level since 1950.
    Tax reunds up 10 percent due to stimulus.

Transparency and Accountability 
BROAD POLICY:
    Mandate to follow the standards of the Freedom of Information Act (exec order).
    Instructed all federal agencies to promote openness and transparency as much as possible.
    Unveiled “open government” plans.
    Federal IT Dashboard, “a website enabling federal agencies & the public to view details of information technology”.
TARGETED ACTIONS:
    Released presidential records.
    Imposed limits on lobbyists’ access to the White House. 
    Imposed limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration.
    Closed lobbyist loopholes with respect to the Recovery Act
    Banned lobbyist gifts to executive employees.
    Provided more town halls and media access than previous administration. 
    Required health plans to disclose how much of the premium goes to patient care.
    Established an independent health institute to provide accurate and objective information.
    Required new hires to sign a form affirming their hiring was not due to political affiliations or contributions. 
    Established a uniform standard for declassifying, safeguarding and classifying national security information (12/29/2009).
    Created a national declassification center.
    DOD opened access to social media sites (Air Force News).
    DOD will film all interrogations.
    Cracked down on tax cheats (exec order).
    Dismantled the Minerals Management Service, cutting ties between industry and government.  ,
    Established the USA.gov portal connecting people to the services they require
    Daniel Pearl Freedom of the Press Act. 
RESULTS:
    White House voluntary disclosure policy – visitor access records/450,000 records to date 
    Recovery, Progress and Change 
    Federal deficit shrank 8% year-on-year.
    Financial reform has ‘strongest consumer financial protections in history.’
    Wall St reform designed to end taxpayer bailouts.
    Six-month report card: exports in the first four months of 2010 were 17 percent higher than in the first four months of 2009 .
    Job loss exploded under Bush, improves under Obama.
    682,370 jobs created under the Recovery Act Between January 1 — March 31,2010.  
    New jobless claims tumble.
    March payrolls surge by 162,000.
    March jobs data showed biggest growth in three years .
    U.S. economy added 90,000 jobs in April .
    Jobless rates dropped in 34 states and DC (AP).
    New-home sales saw biggest jump in 47 years. 
    Foreclosures fall 2%.
    U.S. Economy: Manufacturing grew by most since 2004.
    U.S. GDP up 3.2% in first quarter, consumer spending showed biggest rise in 3 years .
    Orders for most durable goods rose.
    Wholesale inventories and sales rose in March.
    Consumer confidence highest in 2 years.
    Start-Up activity now higher than it was during the dotcom boom.
    Study: almost 5 million charging stations by 2015.
    Wind power growth up 39% due to government stimulus.
    Poll: world’s opinion of U.S. has “improved sharply” under Obama.
    47 nations rise to Obama’s challenge at US nuke summit and agree to four years of non-proliferation efforts.
    U.S. jail population declined for first time in decades.

Miscellaneous 
    Got his daughters a puppy!
    Held first Seder in White House. 
    Appointed at least one Republican to the cabinet.


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BREAKING REPORT: House Republicans Cave, Will Agree To Two-Month Payroll Tax Cut Extension "The bill could potentially be passed by unanimous consent, which would not require all the members to return for a vote."



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Reducing natural wildfires with man made controlled burns? I am sure obama is an expert on Forestry practices. 
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Reducing natural wildfires with man made controlled burns? I am sure obama is an expert on Forestry practices. 

Like I said I didn't edit it down.  And it isn't suggesting that Obama personally did all these things on his own.


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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Reducing natural wildfires with man made controlled burns? I am sure obama is an expert on Forestry practices. 
I'm sure he has access to experts on Forestry practices. What makes you think controlled burns don't reduce natural wildfires?
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

I don't think he's saying it would be any different. He's saying that anyone who votes for Obama for a second term is just a complete fool since he's already clearly shown himself to have no principles, no respect for civil liberties, and no intention to end foreign wars.

That's a load of crap by the way.  There's a lot that he's done that we don't agree with.  We will vote for him because anyone the Republicans put up will most definitely be worse.

Foreign wars: Iraq - over, Afghanistan - winding down.
Civil Liberties - agreed - President Obama has been a disaster for civil liberties - Los Angeles ...Jonathan Turley edititorial.

No principles - pure bullcrap and slander.

 I didn't compile this list so there may be some items I don't like or don't think his administration deserves credit for.  But go ahead and pick it apart and tell me why I'd be a fool to vote for him again.



Hahahaa Iraq is over? That is hilarious. Changing the name and mission of troops does not mean that you have left. Afghanistan is winding down? Links? Let's also add - Libya, increased drone activity on the borders, activities started in Africa, ignoring Pakistan sovereignty.

Please don't feel the need to defend the guy just because he wears a D on his chest. What do you call lying during your campaign. Is that having principles? I'm not going through your unedited page long list. I just gave you reasons to not vote for him. He lied. He went back on his promises. He's a warmonger. What do you vote for exactly?
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What makes me think natural forest fires need to be reduced? Nothing. Where controlled burns are not a part of the natural order of things. The reason I think so is a life spent in the Forestry business. Having planted thousands of trees in the Pacific Northwest in areas after a controlled burn I can tell you there was no benefit I could see. After seeing the mismanagement of forests in America I believe the natural progression of natural wildfires is correct. To fight forest fires in areas where they might do great damage to homeowners I can understand but to fight fires in area where this is not the case is bad practice. I cut timber most of my life and sadly the slash and burn mentality is so wasteful. Selective logging is the best approach. When areas are clear cut and then subjected to controlled burns it damages the eco system from top to bottom. An area which was naturally poor in mineral soil ends up eroding in to stream beds and killing fish. These areas are fragile and nature knows best.
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

What makes me think natural forest fires need to be reduced? Nothing. Where controlled burns are not a part of the natural order of things. The reason I think so is a life spent in the Forestry business. Having planted thousands of trees in the Pacific Northwest in areas after a controlled burn I can tell you there was no benefit I could see. After seeing the mismanagement of forests in America I believe the natural progression of natural wildfires is correct. To fight forest fires in areas where they might do great damage to homeowners I can understand but to fight fires in area where this is not the case is bad practice. I cut timber most of my life and sadly the slash and burn mentality is so wasteful. Selective logging is the best approach. When areas are clear cut and then subjected to controlled burns it damages the eco system from top to bottom. An area which was naturally poor in mineral soil ends up eroding in to stream beds and killing fish. These areas are fragile and nature knows best.
An informative answer that raises a lot of secondary questions, however I assumed that the (USA Gov) policy for controlled burns was to reduce widfires that damage homes and risk lives - if it is simply general forest management in unpopulated areas then I have no argument.
 
But the other matter - of Obama being a forestry expert - is more interesting to me - I'm not sure any president, prime minister or other head of state or "world leader" is an expert on every single subject their respective governments legislate on, nor would I expect them to be, or for that matter want them to be.
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

  I'm not going through your unedited page long list. I just gave you reasons to not vote for him. He lied. He went back on his promises. He's a warmonger. What do you vote for exactly?

A lot of the stuff in the list that you'll never read. Wink

I just gave you a long list of stuff, you've just given me a few.  You lost this debate, buddy.

Anyway, it's not a particularly hard list to scan through.  I challenge you to pick just one thing in the list the that you believe the administration is responsible for that you support.


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If you list 100 minor points that he has done which you see as good, but I give you 5 points which were one of the central cruxes of his campaign which he failed on, who wins? I do.

A principled person doesn't deliver on 75% of their campaign promises, they deliver on 100%. That isn't what principled is. Having principles doesn't mean doing the things that are convenient for you, but not ones that benefit you greatly once you see the profit opportunity.
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

If you list 100 minor points that he has done which you see as good, but I give you 5 points which were one of the central cruxes of his campaign which he failed on, who wins? I do.

A principled person doesn't deliver on 75% of their campaign promises, they deliver on 100%. That isn't what principled is. Having principles doesn't mean doing the things that are convenient for you, but not ones that benefit you greatly once you see the profit opportunity.

It's extremely naive to believe that any politician can deliver on 100% of their campaign promises.  75% isn't too bad.  A principled person compromises when necessary to get some things done.  Even though you're counting headings in the 100, 100 to 5 isn't that bad.


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Principled person and compromise? Have you even looked at the definition of the word.

When 25% of those were main points of your campaign, it's not so good.
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Principled person and compromise? Have you even looked at the definition of the word.

When 25% of those were main points of your campaign, it's not so good.
Now you're getting unnecessarily insulting. 

Just because you think those points were the main points doesn't make it so.

People don't exist in a vacuum of principle where they can have everything their way.  Compromise is the vehicle by which you work with others to get some things accomplished that you believe should be done.


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You can argue for expediency all you want, but the fact of the matter is that it has nothing to do with being principled. A principled person does not sell out their morals to achieve a little bit of success. Abolitionists were principled, not the ones drafting compromises. Ghandi was principled, not people who are against war, but they'll do their duty if they're drafted. I just don't understand what you're saying. Defend the guy all you want, but don't call him principled it just doesn't make any sense. What you're saying is just ignoring the issue. Presidents unilaterally went into these wars, they can unilaterally get out. Obama decided unilaterally to extend our military action in the middle east. There was no compromise that needed to be worked out. The only thing he compromised was his principles.

I'm not insulting you. You're just stating two words together which are essentialyl antonyms. It just doens't make any sense.
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