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Chris S 
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 Posted: December 20 2011 at 04:59 |
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Blacksword
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Joined: June 22 2004
Location: England
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Points: 16130
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Posted: December 20 2011 at 05:01 |
 toroddfuglesteg wrote:
Easy Livin wrote:
Whether or not PA is available in NK is irrelevant. The fact is that there may well be members of the site who are upset by the news. We set an example here by being all inclusive, and showing respect for our fellow members regardless of nationality, creed, religion., etc.
By making fun of the situation, we simply bring ourselevs down to a level which we seek to belittle others for.
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The point is we does that every day, every hour. We do hurt people's feelings every day, every hour in the Off Topic forum in our debates on liberatism, Ron John Paul, Obama, Sarkozy, Blair, Putin, Merkel, Berlusconi and Cameron. And that without any wagging fingers from the Admins. In fact, the Admins really approve of people's feelings being hurt by pretty nasty comments about democratic elected heads of state they have voted for themselves. I got that on record, btw. But you only comes trundling along with a wagging finger when a sarcastic poll about Kim Jong-Il is being posted. So it is OK to mock democratic elected heads of state and their many followers on PA (and drive them off this site), but it is very offensive to mock dictators responsible for hideous genocides, consentration camps and gross repressions of a people. That is what we read from your statement.
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I agree. It's silly.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Snow Dog
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Joined: March 23 2005
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Posted: December 20 2011 at 05:05 |
I personally don't give a toss for anyone upset by his death.
So in short I agree with Torodd that Bob has got it wrong this time.
Edited by Snow Dog - December 20 2011 at 05:15
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Tony R
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Joined: July 16 2004
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Points: 11979
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Posted: December 20 2011 at 05:14 |
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I'm actually stunned to find out that Ron John Paul, Obama, Sarkozy, Blair, Putin, Merkel, Berlusconi and Cameron have all died suddenly. Thanks Torodd I did not know this.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: December 20 2011 at 05:17 |
Tony R wrote:
I'm actually stunned to find out that Ron John Paul, Obama, Sarkozy, Blair, Putin, Merkel, Berlusconi and Cameron have all died suddenly. Thanks Torodd I did not know this. |
As you know, the point was about hurting peoples feelings...not who died. This forum is one of the most decent and respectful ones around. I don't know why we always have to be worried about hurting peoples feelings or offending people. What is wrong with being offended anyway?
Edited by Snow Dog - December 20 2011 at 05:19
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Blacksword
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Joined: June 22 2004
Location: England
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Points: 16130
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Posted: December 20 2011 at 05:20 |
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I find it remarkable that anyone would be hurt by comments made about any western political leader. Even among their most ardent supporters.
I can't imagine what goes on the minds of people who are that sensitive about remarks made about people they a) don't know and b) demonstrably don't give two flying sh!ts about them..
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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toroddfuglesteg
Forum Senior Member
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Joined: March 04 2008
Location: Retirement Home
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Points: 3658
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Posted: December 20 2011 at 05:39 |
Blacksword wrote:
I find it remarkable that anyone would be hurt by comments made about any western political leader. Even among their most ardent supporters.
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Agree. But people, overly sensitive people, has been driven off PA by this and their exit has been approved by the same Admin who think we should not in any way offend followers of Kim Jong-Il and his son. That's my whole point. End of the matter from my side.
Edited by toroddfuglesteg - December 20 2011 at 05:41
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Tony R
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Joined: July 16 2004
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Points: 11979
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Posted: December 20 2011 at 05:49 |
toroddfuglesteg wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
I find it remarkable that anyone would be hurt by comments made about any western political leader. Even among their most ardent supporters.
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Agree. But people, overly sensitive people, has been driven off PA by this and their exit has been approved by the same Admin who think we should not in any way offend followers of Kim Jong-Il and his son. That's my whole point. End of the matter from my side.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: December 20 2011 at 05:54 |
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To be fair I.m not sure EL had his Admin hat on. It is possible he was posting from his own opinion. After all, he didn't censure or block the thread in any way. Just a careful point was raised.
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ExittheLemming
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Joined: October 19 2007
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Posted: December 20 2011 at 06:07 |
^ What?  you mean Easy Livin not me (I think) Assuming that everyone he ever met during his early schooling in China
or his tertiary education in Malta loathed him heartily (including the
latter's Prime Minister Dom Mintoff, who invited him to stay as a guest
on many occasions) then yes, no-one outside of North Korea has the
slightest amount of regard for the life of Kim Jong-il
but my whole point was that no-one starts life from the get go as a brutal, repressive dictator with an appalling human rights record - they become one (Henry understood that I think, and I assumed everyone else did too but I was clearly mistaken) I certainly wouldn't make disrespectful remarks about even a politician that I have very little regard for say, Margaret Thatcher 3 days after she had died.
Edited by ExittheLemming - December 20 2011 at 06:15
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Slartibartfast
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Joined: April 29 2006
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Posted: December 20 2011 at 06:14 |
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He was il his whole life, now he's dead.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Snow Dog
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Posted: December 20 2011 at 06:19 |
ExittheLemming wrote:
^ What? you mean Easy Livin not me (I think)
Assuming that everyone he ever met during his early schooling in China
or his tertiary education in Malta loathed him heartily (including the
latter's Prime Minister Dom Mintoff, who invited him to stay as a guest
on many occasions) then yes, no-one outside of North Korea has the
slightest amount of regard for the life of Kim Jong-il
but my whole point was that no-one starts life from the get go as a brutal, repressive dictator with an appalling human rights record - they become one (Henry understood that I think, and I assumed everyone else did too but I was clearly mistaken) I certainly wouldn't make disrespectful remarks about even a politician that I have very little regard for say, Margaret Thatcher 3 days after she had died.
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EL = Easy Livin, always has done. 
As for your second point. That is up to you but I maintain my right to be as disrespectful as i want to. So when Thatcher does die and I say "Good riddance to the old cow" don't be surprised.
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Vompatti
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Points: 67407
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Posted: December 20 2011 at 06:50 |
I respect Kim Jong ill as a person because he recently died, and I also respect all the North Koreans whose sorrow for the loss of their Dear Leader is genuine and justified and therefore should not be made fun of. 
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Hercules
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Joined: June 14 2007
Location: Near York UK
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Points: 7024
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Posted: December 20 2011 at 06:57 |
All of them, probably.
But the one that really worries me is "His son will probably be worse".
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A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life.
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TheProgtologist
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Joined: May 23 2005
Location: Baltimore,Md US
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Points: 27802
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Posted: December 20 2011 at 07:02 |
toroddfuglesteg wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
I find it remarkable that anyone would be hurt by comments made about any western political leader. Even among their most ardent supporters.
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Agree. But people, overly sensitive people, has been driven off PA by this and their exit has been approved by the same Admin who think we should not in any way offend followers of Kim Jong-Il and his son. That's my whole point. End of the matter from my side.
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When someone is banned from this forum it's an Admin TEAM decision.
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colorofmoney91
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Joined: March 16 2008
Location: Biosphere
Status: Offline
Points: 22774
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Posted: December 20 2011 at 07:25 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
ExittheLemming wrote:
Assuming that everyone he ever met during his early schooling in China or his tertiary education in Malta loathed him heartily (including the latter's Prime Minister Dom Mintoff, who invited him to stay as a guest on many occasions) then yes, no-one outside of North Korea has the slightest amount of regard for the life of Kim Jong-il |
While yes, he was a human being, I find it difficult to believe Kim Jong-il was a pleasant person to be around.
Easy Livin wrote:
By making fun of the situation, we simply bring ourselevs down to a level which we seek to belittle others for. |
Yes, I am on the same level as a brutal dictator for something I said on an internet forum. Incidentally, RIP Hitler.
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I gut-laughed.
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toroddfuglesteg
Forum Senior Member
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Joined: March 04 2008
Location: Retirement Home
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Points: 3658
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Posted: December 20 2011 at 07:36 |
Tony R wrote:
toroddfuglesteg wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
I find it remarkable that anyone would be hurt by comments made about any western political leader. Even among their most ardent supporters.
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Agree. But people, overly sensitive people, has been driven off PA by this and their exit has been approved by the same Admin who think we should not in any way offend followers of Kim Jong-Il and his son. That's my whole point. End of the matter from my side.
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Sorry. I was unprecise. So let me be precise and also answer a more recent post by TheProgtologist too. There has been some incidents of "you mock my political views so I am leaving this site" type of incidents over the last seven years here. All these huffing and puffing leavings has been applauded off the site by a certain admin.... and his applause has also been applauded by myself. A hell of a noise, btw. I think it is perfectly fine that the likes of Gingrich, Obama, Sarkozy, Merkel, Cameron, Perry and any other democratic elected politician get mocked in PA. Even those politicians I agree with deserves mocking here. This despite of me being offended too. But I deserve to be offended. None of those leaving PA was banned from PA. They became offended and left. Just like that. What I don't understand is that the same Admin who did nothing when the followers of Cameron, Obama & Co was so offended that they left PA suddenly ask us not to offend the followers of a murdering despot like Kim Jong-Il. That is double standards in my world. It also opens up a can of worms for the Admins with wide ranging implications. But I am sure Bob did the same type of mistake as I did the morning when I got one liter of orange juice all over my trousers because I opened the wretched packaging at the wrong end. Life is complicated when having to put some thinking into it.
Edited by toroddfuglesteg - December 20 2011 at 07:38
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TheProgtologist
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Joined: May 23 2005
Location: Baltimore,Md US
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Posted: December 20 2011 at 07:42 |
"None of those leaving PA was banned from PA. They became offended and left. Just like that."
Sorry for misunderstanding you.I don't involve myself in the running of this site anymore and don't catch a lot of what happens here on a day to day basis.I am fiercely protective of my former colleagues on the admin team and am quick to jump to their defense,and that I will never apologize for.
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Joined: July 02 2008
Location: Australia
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Points: 14258
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Posted: December 20 2011 at 07:43 |
Who?
I guess Australia did not give this headlines as I have no idea
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The T
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Posted: December 20 2011 at 07:44 |
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I slit my wrists today in memory of Pol Pot... And all his fans. Resquiecat in Pace Ultima.
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