The Doctor wrote: ^ I know the Republicans were created as an anti-slavery party.  But this ain't your great great grandfather's republican party anymore.

I know.  Ron Paul is running for the nom. 

My point above, however, was that the Democratic Party was a party of racial pandering.  Could it be that many of the "civil rights" victories often attributed to them were actually started by a different group, and that said victories were really just a way to secure a political base?

You oppose CEOs "exploiting" workers for profit; do you oppose Democrats exploiting minorities for power?


Edited by Epignosis - December 12 2011 at 16:39

The Doctor wrote: LBJ was responsible for Vietnam, but he was also instrumental in civil rights and the war on poverty

"These Negroes, they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us since they've got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we've got to do something about this, we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference. For if we don't move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there'll be no way of stopping them, we'll lose the filibuster and there'll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It'll be Reconstruction all over again." --Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson (D., Texas), 1957

“I’ll have those n****rs voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” — Lyndon B. Johnson

Interestingly, the Republican Party was established as an anti-slavery party, and that the Democratic Party wanted folks to understand something very plainly:





Edited by Epignosis - December 12 2011 at 16:13

Equality 7-2521 wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: Why should people who make up corporations get special rights for their company when unions who are only unionizing to be able to stand up to the power of the corporations that they work for to get better treatment be deemed wrong? I'm sorry if I've oversimplified your point of view and actually do appreciate your nuances. So anyway, George W. Bush great president or the greatest? They shouldn't. I've never said that they should. Huh? You do realize I despise Bush right? And every other president of the last 100 years?

We kind of agree on this.  Don't think we've had a great president in over 50 years.  Clinton wasn't too bad, but I didn't agree with everything he did for sure.  LBJ was responsible for Vietnam, but he was also instrumental in civil rights and the war on poverty (which Reagan later turned into the war on the impoverished).  I find Obama to be much too weak-willed.  He seems to lack the cajones to stand up to the right.  I wanted a liberal messiah.  I got Bush light. 

These people have been a nusance from day one and have been disrupting the lives of the so called "99%". Also depending where on the port facilities they are, its a security issue and they should be arrested and can be.

If you ask me a specific question I'll answer it. I'm not interesting in playing this game of vagueness where I agree to something I don't actually believe. 

No they are not people. And again, no people do not cede their rights when they act as a group.

I don't know what you exactly mean by that question. Do I believe that corporations are people? No. Do I believe that people cede their rights when they act as a group? No.

I think the sad thing is that you probably think that argument is compelling.

The Koch Brothers, ALEC and the Savage Assault on Democracy

"For the Koch brothers and their kind, less democracy is better. They fund campaigns with millions of dollars in checks that have helped elect the likes of Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker and Ohio Governor John Kasich. And ALEC has made it clear, through its ambitious “Public Safety and Elections Task Force,” that while it wants to dismantle any barriers to corporate cash and billionaire bucks’ influencing elections, it wants very much to erect barriers to the primary tool that Americans who are not CEOs have to influence the politics and the government of the nation: voting."

Halliburton Confirms US Concentration Camps Ready to Detain up to 2 Million “Terrorists.” But Don't Worry, No Americans Will Be Indefinitely Detained Or Anything.

Edited by Slartibartfast - December 09 2011 at 19:29

Equality 7-2521 wrote: Yeah and the libertarians are the crazy ones...

We try though.