Vompatti (yup, the one and only) - Prog Electronic

Anthony H. wrote: Record labels are a defunct idea by this point. Free self-releases are becoming more and more ubiquitous, and it's nonsensical to reject this music (which CLEARLY fits into the site) on the basis of how it's released.

harmonium.ro wrote: Epignosis wrote: harmonium.ro wrote: Epignosis wrote: harmonium.ro wrote: Epignosis wrote: harmonium.ro wrote: We'll get more trustworthy collabs and genre specialists in the electronic team when they appear, sure. Is the current gatekeeper of Prog Electronic helping to recruit new members, or are you seriously just waiting for them to "appear?" To me, this is a serious situation.  No genre team should consist of one man.  Aube is Prog Electronic but Vangelis and Jean Michel Jarre are not? We are very proactive about the collaborator ranks and teams, surely you must have noticed this. As for prog electronic discussions, there has to be other better place for them (instead of Vomps' suggestion thread) so they don't get lost and gather more useful opinions from users. I noticed proactiveness when it came to Eclectic Prog which had 3 members, not Prog Electronic when it has one.  There should be zero additions if a team has one member.  A quorum must be established. I'm not trying to discuss other potential Prog Electronic bands here- I'm merely expressing my disapproval that one man runs a sub genre (or three), and I quite disagree with his judgment. I didn't say you could have noticed our proactiveness about the Prog Electronic team, because wasn't going to be noticeable by people unrelated to it. It was about noticing the proactiveness in general. Like I just said above, "We'll get more trustworthy collabs and genre specialists in the electronic team when they appear, sure." That's fine.  But there should not be any additions to Prog Electronic (or any one-man genres) until more are added.  Do you agree? No. The process of developing the electronic team will take time. Not much, I would hope, but I can't guarantee anything.

I'm moving my comment to the CZ, Alex.

Epignosis wrote: Anthony H. wrote: harmonium.ro wrote: Anthony H. wrote: harmonium.ro wrote: Anthony H. wrote: harmonium.ro wrote: Anthony H. wrote: harmonium.ro wrote: Because of the signed/unsigned/free releases thing.  What absolute bollocks. That's an absurd policy in the year 2011. What exactly is absurd? Record labels are a defunct idea by this point. Free self-releases are becoming more and more ubiquitous, and it's nonsensical to reject this music (which CLEARLY fits into the site) on the basis of how it's released. Eh? We've made it already possible for free releases to get in, it's been almost a year now. Then why doesn't Vomps qualify? (I'm actually asking; maybe there's something I don't know about the policy.) The free releases policy was made to adjust the PA submission process to help pro bands and dedicated musicians that happen to release their music for free go through, while discerning them from bedroom projects or people creating music on a computer for fun, which PA is not about. Not that this should read that we consider bedroom projects and the likes as bad things, it's just where we chose to set the bar (we can't host all music created). But if the music fits, why not? By those standards, professionalism (regardless if it's free or not) is an important standard for inclusion. So, does this mean that we take Simon Railton off? My point is: it's inconsistent. If music fits on the site under a certain genre, then it should be included. Huh?  I was the final vote for Simon Railton.  He is on the Musea label, which ultimately swayed my decision. That said, I tend to be more liberal about free-releases.  Music is music is music is music.

No, he should certainly stay. I'm just saying that under these supposed guidelines (which I disagree with), he should be removed. I was just using him as an example to criticize the guidelines.

Conor Fynes wrote: I've personally never understood why some collaborators would prefer to exclude an artist, rather than include them. I love the site, but it shouldn't be taken so bloody seriously.

I don't believe any Collabs "prefer to exclude" artists, we follow the sites rules and we give our opinions (votes) based on how the music relates to the sub definitions.  I've never understood why so many people have trouble understanding that. 

Epignosis wrote: harmonium.ro wrote: Epignosis wrote: harmonium.ro wrote: We'll get more trustworthy collabs and genre specialists in the electronic team when they appear, sure. Is the current gatekeeper of Prog Electronic helping to recruit new members, or are you seriously just waiting for them to "appear?" To me, this is a serious situation.  No genre team should consist of one man.  Aube is Prog Electronic but Vangelis and Jean Michel Jarre are not? We are very proactive about the collaborator ranks and teams, surely you must have noticed this. As for prog electronic discussions, there has to be other better place for them (instead of Vomps' suggestion thread) so they don't get lost and gather more useful opinions from users. I noticed proactiveness when it came to Eclectic Prog which had 3 members, not Prog Electronic when it has one.  There should be zero additions if a team has one member.  A quorum must be established. I'm not trying to discuss other potential Prog Electronic bands here- I'm merely expressing my disapproval that one man runs a sub genre (or three), and I quite disagree with his judgment.

I didn't say you could have noticed our proactiveness about the Prog Electronic team, because wasn't going to be noticeable by people unrelated to it. It was about noticing the proactiveness in general.
Like I just said above, "We'll get more trustworthy collabs and genre specialists in the electronic team when they appear, sure."

SaltyJon wrote: Rob, remember that it's not just Prog Electronic, but also Krautrock (for all realistic intents and purposes, I do not consider Oliverstoned to be a member of that team anymore since I can't recall seeing much, if any input from him since I became a collab) and the micro-genre of Indo/Raga.  Might as well address all three of Philippe's "teams" while we're at it, as I've mentioned several times to others in PMs.

If this is the case, then I am even more concerned. Why has one fellow been permitted to run three sub genres?

I've personally never understood why some collaborators would prefer to exclude an artist, rather than include them. I love the site, but it shouldn't be taken so bloody seriously.

Anthony H. wrote: harmonium.ro wrote: Anthony H. wrote: harmonium.ro wrote: Anthony H. wrote: harmonium.ro wrote: Anthony H. wrote: harmonium.ro wrote: Because of the signed/unsigned/free releases thing.  What absolute bollocks. That's an absurd policy in the year 2011. What exactly is absurd? Record labels are a defunct idea by this point. Free self-releases are becoming more and more ubiquitous, and it's nonsensical to reject this music (which CLEARLY fits into the site) on the basis of how it's released. Eh? We've made it already possible for free releases to get in, it's been almost a year now. Then why doesn't Vomps qualify? (I'm actually asking; maybe there's something I don't know about the policy.) The free releases policy was made to adjust the PA submission process to help pro bands and dedicated musicians that happen to release their music for free go through, while discerning them from bedroom projects or people creating music on a computer for fun, which PA is not about. Not that this should read that we consider bedroom projects and the likes as bad things, it's just where we chose to set the bar (we can't host all music created). But if the music fits, why not? By those standards, professionalism (regardless if it's free or not) is an important standard for inclusion. So, does this mean that we take Simon Railton off? My point is: it's inconsistent. If music fits on the site under a certain genre, then it should be included.

Huh?  I was the final vote for Simon Railton.  He is on the Musea label, which ultimately swayed my decision.

That said, I tend to be more liberal about free-releases.  Music is music is music is music.

Anthony H. wrote: harmonium.ro wrote: Anthony H. wrote: harmonium.ro wrote: Anthony H. wrote: harmonium.ro wrote: Anthony H. wrote: harmonium.ro wrote: Because of the signed/unsigned/free releases thing.  What absolute bollocks. That's an absurd policy in the year 2011. What exactly is absurd? Record labels are a defunct idea by this point. Free self-releases are becoming more and more ubiquitous, and it's nonsensical to reject this music (which CLEARLY fits into the site) on the basis of how it's released. Eh? We've made it already possible for free releases to get in, it's been almost a year now. Then why doesn't Vomps qualify? (I'm actually asking; maybe there's something I don't know about the policy.) The free releases policy was made to adjust the PA submission process to help pro bands and dedicated musicians that happen to release their music for free go through, while discerning them from bedroom projects or people creating music on a computer for fun, which PA is not about. Not that this should read that we consider bedroom projects and the likes as bad things, it's just where we chose to set the bar (we can't host all music created). But if the music fits, why not? By those standards, professionalism (regardless if it's free or not) is an important standard for inclusion. So, does this mean that we take Simon Railton off? My point is: it's inconsistent. If music fits on the site under a certain genre, then it should be included.

I don't know who Simon Railton is.

I know it's inconsistent. For example, personally I'd like to address the inconsistency by dealing somehow with amateurish stuff that can technically be added by fulfilling our requirements for being "signed", but I don't know how (or if it even would be possible). Regardless of that, the new policy still is a major improvement. And no, we're not going to start putting anything in, we are quite keen on these nuances that we differentiate between.

Epignosis wrote: I'm still more interested in why Prog Electronic (and Krautrock and Indo/Raga) has one man deciding who goes in and who doesn't, especially when it seemed a priority that Eclectic Prog go from three men to 5+.