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    Posted: November 28 2011 at 10:34
Originally posted by stewe stewe wrote:

Ritual is IMO totally not the case of regressive retro bands (as Unitopia, Glass Hammer, Phideaux even some Swedish bands which incline to this tedium as Kaipa or The Flower Kings etc.)
On 'Hemulic Voluntary Band' they are clearly influenced by Gentle Giant, maybe by Gryphon or Yes/Beatles when it comes to melodic sense. It's not a bad thing, because they still bring totally fresh music, into which they are able incorporate alternative/modern elements to their folk-prog roots (check out their 'Think Like a Mountain' album). 
They are looking for new sound, experiment. From this point of view they remind rather bands like Pain of Salvation or Porcupine Tree. The swedish folk atmosphere and palette of their instruments makes is it very distintive, with the help of amazing voice, and mainly - original compositional approach, top-notch musicianship. Their music is pure joy as well as emotional experience. 

Dregd is is not bad, great musicians as well, however their alternative/indie/post sound makes their music more generic.



No it doesn't. If you went into the same depth as you did with THVB you could make just as good a case for Dredg.
How much have you actually listened to Dredg? They might surprise you if you just open your mind a tad.
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Ritual is IMO totally not the case of regressive retro bands (as Unitopia, Glass Hammer, Phideaux even some Swedish bands which incline to this tedium as Kaipa or The Flower Kings etc.)
On 'Hemulic Voluntary Band' they are clearly influenced by Gentle Giant, maybe by Gryphon or Yes/Beatles when it comes to melodic sense. It's not a bad thing, because they still bring totally fresh music, into which they are able incorporate alternative/modern elements to their folk-prog roots (check out their 'Think Like a Mountain' album). 
They are looking for new sound, experiment. From this point of view they remind rather bands like Pain of Salvation or Porcupine Tree. The swedish folk atmosphere and palette of their instruments makes is it very distintive, with the help of amazing voice, and mainly - original compositional approach, top-notch musicianship. Their music is pure joy as well as emotional experience. 

Dregd is is not bad, great musicians as well, however their alternative/indie/post sound makes their music more generic.


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Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Originally posted by Wanorak Wanorak wrote:

BTW, I didn't mean to single out alternative rock. I listen to some bands. I just don't know why alt. rock bands, classic rock bands and heavy metal bands are on the Progarchives??


They aren't. Dredg are a prog band. El Cielo is a prog album. This has been discussed to death.Dead
Prog doesn't have to mean symphonic prog. That's a very narrow minded understanding of the concept.
If Ritual is so progressive, why do they just rehash the ideas that were done to death 40 years ago, and done better?

Approve Agreed.

Prog fans who find new bands that incorporate new sounds to the prog circles, non-prog, while they keep on listening to retro-ish bands that what they most do is imitate the 70s classics.

I don't have a problem with the retro style, some I even like, but those who have a rather alt. rock sound in comparison, sound way better to me and fresher in prog terms.

BTW: I'm not a Dredg fan.


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Originally posted by JS19 JS19 wrote:

But I like both Catch Without Arms and The Pariah, The Parrot and the Delusion more than El Cielo....

I still don't understand why I'm in the minority, although El Cielo is a great album.

I'm so with you on this - I'd probably even listen to Leitmotif more than El Cielo. Having said that I'm going to go and listen to El Cielo now......
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Definitely prefer El Cielo.
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Originally posted by Wanorak Wanorak wrote:

BTW, I didn't mean to single out alternative rock. I listen to some bands. I just don't know why alt. rock bands, classic rock bands and heavy metal bands are on the Progarchives??


They aren't. Dredg are a prog band. El Cielo is a prog album. This has been discussed to death.Dead
Prog doesn't have to mean symphonic prog. That's a very narrow minded understanding of the concept.
If Ritual is so progressive, why do they just rehash the ideas that were done to death 40 years ago, and done better?


Edited by The Miracle - November 27 2011 at 16:43
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I know which one I'm voting for.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Originally posted by Sheavy Sheavy wrote:

Whats good by Ritual?

The album shown.
 
Geek haha. I was referring to songs.Ouch
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Originally posted by Sheavy Sheavy wrote:

Whats good by Ritual?

The album shown.
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Originally posted by Wanorak Wanorak wrote:

BTW, I didn't mean to single out alternative rock. I listen to some bands. I just don't know why alt. rock bands, classic rock bands and heavy metal bands are on the Progarchives??

They were progressive.
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BTW, I didn't mean to single out alternative rock. I listen to some bands. I just don't know why alt. rock bands, classic rock bands and heavy metal bands are on the Progarchives??
A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!!
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Yes, but the Hemulic Voluntary Band is full on prog glory IMO. One of the best prog albums of the last few years. I wish they would leave the alternative rock acts off this forum
A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!!
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But I like both Catch Without Arms and The Pariah, The Parrot and the Delusion more than El Cielo....

I still don't understand why I'm in the minority, although El Cielo is a great album.

Originally posted by Wanorak Wanorak wrote:

I love the Ritual album, one of my faves from that year. Dredg leave me cold; very alt. rock IMO.

That has nothing to do with which is better. I don't think Dredg is prog either, but they're still brilliant.


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Ritual.
 
The track "The dangerous journey"  is a great 26 minute epic that I still play on a regular basis.
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I love the Ritual album, one of my faves from that year. Dredg leave me cold; very alt. rock IMO.
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