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Whooping cough has mutated in to a strain much worse, it has not been eradicated.
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

There are usually negative aspects to anything.  With eating, people choke on food and get food poisoning. 

I can't imagine why folks would refuse to immunize their children but would drive them around in cars on a regular basis.  Ermm

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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by timothy 
leary timothy leary wrote:

There is no solid proof statistically that vaccs have eradicated diseases.


I'm sorry, this is really ludicrous, and stunningly false, as Dean has already pointed out.

Prove that these diseases have been eradicated, not going to be able to because they have not been eradicated. Dean can't make the diseases magically go away with words or vaccinations
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Viral disease spread from one host to the next - break the chain and the virus cannot replicate and so cannot propagate. It really is that simple.

It's true I and I alone have the power.



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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 26 2011 at 14:07
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

There is no solid proof statistically that vaccs have eradicated diseases.


I'm sorry, this is really ludicrous, and stunningly false, as Dean has already pointed out.

Prove that these diseases have been eradicated, not going to be able to because they have not been eradicated. Dean can't make the diseases magically go away with words or vaccinations
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Viral disease spread from one host to the next - break the chain and the virus cannot replicate and so cannot propagate. It really is that simple.
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Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

There is no solid proof statistically that vaccs have eradicated diseases.


I'm sorry, this is really ludicrous, and stunningly false, as Dean has already pointed out.

Prove that these diseases have been eradicated, not going to be able to because they have not been eradicated. Dean can't make the diseases magically go away with words or vaccinations
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Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

There is no solid proof statistically that vaccs have eradicated diseases.


I'm sorry, this is really ludicrous, and stunningly false, as Dean has already pointed out.


I showed that statement to my wife with great amusement as she walked by.  She's a researcher in childhood diseases and just generally enraged by anti-vaccine quacks out there, while being surprised by how effective they are in convincing otherwise intelligent people to endanger their kids and others. 

She reads the line above and just says "what utter bullsh*t" and walks awayLOL.
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They kill the ones that bite humans and or pets.
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

And do we immunize skunks, raccoons and bats yet?
Search me, I don't live in the USA and have never even seen a skunk or raccoon. Wiki tells me that vaccines can be administered to feral animals through dosed baits though something tells me that the best delivery system would probably be a .22 rifle for an infected animal.
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

There is no solid proof statistically that vaccs have eradicated diseases.


I'm sorry, this is really ludicrous, and stunningly false, as Dean has already pointed out.
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I have a friend who got the flu vaccine and got sick a few days later .


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There are usually negative aspects to anything.  With eating, people choke on food and get food poisoning. 

I can't imagine why folks would refuse to immunize their children but would drive them around in cars on a regular basis.  Ermm
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And do we immunize skunks, raccoons and bats yet?
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

in the USA immunisation of dogs has effectively eradicated the disease from domestic dogs.
I wasn't aware we immunized our dogs for rabies.
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^I don't advocate taking drugs and certainly not ones the government says. There is not one drug of any kind in my medicine cabinet. None. Food is for healing. Organic, and if possible grown right here on my own property or gathered wild from nature. Certainly not lined up for a flu shot. For slartis next stupid post

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Drug companies are getting rich off vaccinations. We really can't know long term effects of childhood vaccs. Weakened immune systems are probably one of the big drawbacks. There is no solid proof statistically that vaccs have eradicated diseases. The amount of vaccinations a child has to have has risen dramatically since the 1950's. Perhaps we should also automatically give children rabies shots at birth in case they get bitten by rabid raccoons or dogs. Who is to say childhood diseases do not play a function in building strong natural immune systems?
Drug companies get rich. I can't argue with that. Homoeopathic practitioners and quacks get rich too. I can't argue with that either.
 
There are many know causes for a weakened immune system - vaccines that work by strengthening the body's natural immune system are not one of them - try infant milk formula or overuse of chemical domestic cleaners. For a correlation there has to be cause and effect and it is a sad reality that, as heartbreaking disabled children are, their diagnosis is only possible when they reach a certain age, and that coincidentally happens to be the same age as their first immunisation shots (those children would have been diagnoses whether they had been immunised or not). It's also another reality that we have gotten better at diagnosing infant disabilities and are detecting them earlier and more accurately, again this coincides with immunisation programmes but is not a cause and effect just an unfortunate coincidence.
 
Small Pox has been eradicated through immunisation, polio has decreased 80% since immunisation began, measles decreased by 60% - my mother was crippled by measles as an infant - an immunisation programme in the 1940s would have prevented her from suffering pain and discomfort her entire 70 years of life.
 
Rabies is unknown in the UK, Japan and Australia due mainly to geography - in the USA immunisation of dogs has effectively eradicated the disease from domestic dogs - in either case immunising humans is pointless (and a specious argument).


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eeww Mormons. They can't even drink soda, man.
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I think someone's been doing a little too much LDS. Wink

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Edited by Slartibartfast - November 26 2011 at 13:34
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Originally posted by KoS KoS wrote:

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Or do yo need to take some LSD(which is a pharmaceutical creation btw) and have a smelly, bearded hippy explain to it in terms you can understand.

Do you actually know how Lcd works when you cannot spell a three letter word?

LSD spoke to me. He came to me and said, 'You must find me.' He told me, 'Don’t give me to the pharmacologist.'" 
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

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Violence Mars every single day, just gets reported only on black friday.

I just find it amusing that people go bat crap crazy over shopping. LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote KoS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 26 2011 at 13:12
Do some of you actually know how vaccines work?


Man, I had no idea how science ignorant some of you people are.



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I have a friend who got the flu vaccine and got sick a few days later . I will never get it. I never get sick. Best vaccine: a good inmune system. If people stopped putting antibiotics in their systems like candy (making the big pharmas happy by the way) things would be better...

I can't believe people still believe in forced immunizations...
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