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Posted: November 26 2011 at 11:57

obvious troll is obvious hence my reply with smileys.

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Posted: November 26 2011 at 12:17

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Not going to participate, you can do the research as well as I can

"The risk of vaccination must be considered as important—and potentially more serious—than the risk of a childhood disease. Years of experience and thousands of hours of research have lead to conclusions that are not uniformly accepted: the importance of legally ensuring vaccine exemptions in each State and the right to refuse Nationally mandated vaccinations...

Humans are intrinsically healthy and tend to remain so if they are given nutritious, non-GMO foods, fresh air, and clean water. We have been blessed with God-given protective barriers against infectious diseases, including our skin and immune system...

[H]ow did we come to embrace the idea that injecting solutions of chemically-treated, inactivated viruses, parts of bacteria, traces of animal tissue and heavy metals, such as mercury and aluminum, was a reasonable strategy for keeping human beings—babies, children and adults—healthy?...

Parents, and all adults, must retain their right to refuse vaccines. They are not without risk, and those 'rare' complications can result in significant costs, both economic and in terms of human life...

When we give government the power to make medical decisions for us—and force us to vaccinate and medicate our children in the name 'health' and 'policy' and for 'the greater good' we, in essence, accept that the state owns our bodies, and, apparently, our children

But please, I mean real science, proper medical studies, actual facts and figures, not anti-vaccine propaganda, I can read that anywhere (in fact I can read this particular quote on every anti-vaccine site going).

Would there be a National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act passed by the government if there were no injuries.? You can look up the statistics, you do not seem to mind looking up the opposing sides information. Some parents see their statistic every day of their life in the form of a disabled child.

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Posted: November 26 2011 at 12:28

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That act was passed in the USA in 1986 - considerably more is known about vaccines and childhood illness now. "Nearly 5,000 U.S. families of children diagnosed with autism have claims for compensation from a federal fund, saying that their health problems were caused by common childhood vaccines. Large scientific studies have found no association, and no autism claim has been paid from the fund so far" - wikipedia

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Posted: November 26 2011 at 12:40

Drug companies are getting rich off vaccinations. We really can't know long term effects of childhood vaccs. Weakened immune systems are probably one of the big drawbacks. There is no solid proof statistically that vaccs have eradicated diseases. The amount of vaccinations a child has to have has risen dramatically since the 1950's. Perhaps we should also automatically give children rabies shots at birth in case they get bitten by rabid raccoons or dogs. Who is to say childhood diseases do not play a function in building strong natural immune systems?

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Posted: November 26 2011 at 12:43

http://tallguywrites.livejournal.com/148012.html#cutid1

Or do yo need to take some LSD(which is a pharmaceutical creation btw) and have a smelly, bearded hippy explain to it in terms you can understand.

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Posted: November 26 2011 at 13:01

I would consider Lcd safer than most products put out by corrupt drug companies or do you need some sweet smelling drug company rep in a monkey suit explain it to you.....

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Posted: November 26 2011 at 13:06

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<font face="Arial" size="2">Violence Mars Black Friday Shopping

Violence Mars every single day, just gets reported only on black friday.

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Posted: November 26 2011 at 13:08

I have a friend who got the flu vaccine and got sick a few days later

. I will never get it. I never get sick. Best vaccine: a good inmune system. If people stopped putting antibiotics in their systems like candy (making the big pharmas happy by the way) things would be better...

I can't believe people still believe in forced immunizations...

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Posted: November 26 2011 at 13:12

Do some of you actually know how vaccines work?

Man, I had no idea how science ignorant some of you people are.

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Posted: November 26 2011 at 13:17

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<font face="Arial" size="2">Violence Mars Black Friday Shopping

Violence Mars every single day, just gets reported only on black friday.

I just find it amusing that people go bat crap crazy over shopping. LOL

Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Posted: November 26 2011 at 13:20

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http://tallguywrites.livejournal.com/148012.html#cutid1

Or do yo need to take some LSD(which is a pharmaceutical creation btw) and have a smelly, bearded hippy explain to it in terms you can understand.

Do you actually know how Lcd works when you cannot spell a three letter word?

LSD spoke to me. He came to me and said, 'You must find me.' He told me, 'Don’t give me to the pharmacologist.'"
- ALBERT HOFMANN

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Posted: November 26 2011 at 13:30

I think someone's been doing a little too much LDS. Wink

"There is a time and place for everything and that is college." Chef

Edited by Slartibartfast - November 26 2011 at 13:34

Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Posted: November 26 2011 at 13:32

eeww Mormons. They can't even drink soda, man.

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Posted: November 26 2011 at 13:33

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Drug companies are getting rich off vaccinations. We really can't know long term effects of childhood vaccs. Weakened immune systems are probably one of the big drawbacks. There is no solid proof statistically that vaccs have eradicated diseases. The amount of vaccinations a child has to have has risen dramatically since the 1950's. Perhaps we should also automatically give children rabies shots at birth in case they get bitten by rabid raccoons or dogs. Who is to say childhood diseases do not play a function in building strong natural immune systems?

Drug companies get rich. I can't argue with that. Homoeopathic practitioners and quacks get rich too. I can't argue with that either.

There are many know causes for a weakened immune system - vaccines that work by strengthening the body's natural immune system are not one of them - try infant milk formula or overuse of chemical domestic cleaners. For a correlation there has to be cause and effect and it is a sad reality that, as heartbreaking disabled children are, their diagnosis is only possible when they reach a certain age, and that coincidentally happens to be the same age as their first immunisation shots (those children would have been diagnoses whether they had been immunised or not). It's also another reality that we have gotten better at diagnosing infant disabilities and are detecting them earlier and more accurately, again this coincides with immunisation programmes but is not a cause and effect just an unfortunate coincidence.

Small Pox has been eradicated through immunisation, polio has decreased 80% since immunisation began, measles decreased by 60% - my mother was crippled by measles as an infant - an immunisation programme in the 1940s would have prevented her from suffering pain and discomfort her entire 70 years of life.

Rabies is unknown in the UK, Japan and Australia due mainly to geography - in the USA immunisation of dogs has effectively eradicated the disease from domestic dogs - in either case immunising humans is pointless (and a specious argument).

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Posted: November 26 2011 at 13:37

^I don't advocate taking drugs and certainly not ones the government says. There is not one drug of any kind in my medicine cabinet. None. Food is for healing. Organic, and if possible grown right here on my own property or gathered wild from nature. Certainly not lined up for a flu shot. For slartis next stupid post

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Posted: November 26 2011 at 13:38

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in the USA immunisation of dogs has effectively eradicated the disease from domestic dogs.

I wasn't aware we immunized our dogs for rabies.

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Posted: November 26 2011 at 13:39

And do we immunize skunks, raccoons and bats yet?

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