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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

This is a double problem, if you want your child not to be immunized, could maybe be seen as a right, but if a non immunized kid gets a contagious disease and kills other kids, is a crime.

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Why weren't those kids immunized?

1.- That's why immunization must be mandatory.
2.- Even if immunized, the virus can mutate and turn into extremely aggressive,like tuberculosis.

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^ It is not a crime to not immunize your child
It should be, as it is a crime not to feed your child or to neglect your child.
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Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

I used to get them every year, when they were free at my work. Of course now I am not working, and will not pay. I am approaching elderly, I suppose, but a little flu never hurt anyone, though granted you'll feel like sh*t for a couple of weeks. That which does not kill you makes you stronger. There is actually some truth to that.
Unless it's a strain like the 1918 one.
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Originally posted by KoS KoS wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

^ It is not a crime to not immunize your child
It should be, as it is a crime not to feed your child or to neglect your child.


But there is a difference between not feeding your child and deciding not to give them a medical treatment whose side effects could be as bad or worse than the illness treated or prevented.  Of course, on the other hand Ivan has a point that children who are not vaccinated could pass a mutated strain of the disease to those who have been vaccinated. 

What I'm trying to say here is I have no strong opinion one way or another for a change.  Tongue
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We're not talking about a virus like the flu, stuff like chicken pox could be fatal to those who do not have immunization.
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I would say that perhaps the family court system in Peru is a bit more fair and fair-minded than the court system in the US.  But the problem here is a mixture of Congress/state legislatures, overzealous family court lawyers who try to get as much money as possible out of the husband's side and family court judges who are much more sympathetic to the ex-wife (even when the ex-wife was at fault in the divorce) than the ex-husband.  We have a very paternalistic family law system here in the US which is solely about protecting the interests of the ex-wife (I would say even above the interests of the children from all that I've seen).


Surely that must be a maternalist system, then? Wink
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Originally posted by KoS KoS wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

^ It is not a crime to not immunize your child
It should be, as it is a crime not to feed your child or to neglect your child.

Government should not be dictating what medical procedures you can get or should get. I am sure the Amish children are not dying from those childhood diseases. What do you say to the parents of children who actually suffer complications from live vaccines?? Do you claim they committed a crime as bad as neglect etc?In this day of the usurption of rights by governments what is left to decide by parents, maybe what time the child should go to bed. We had a world before vaccinations, we would have one after. Some vaccinations maybe good, some are not. Let informed parents make those decisions, not government, religion or business.
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Originally posted by KoS KoS wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

^ It is not a crime to not immunize your child
It should be, as it is a crime not to feed your child or to neglect your child.

Government should not be dictating what medical procedures you can get or should get. I am sure the Amish children are not dying from those childhood diseases. What do you say to the parents of children who actually suffer complications from live vaccines?? Do you claim they committed a crime as bad as neglect etc?In this day of the usurption of rights by governments what is left to decide by parents, maybe what time the child should go to bed. We had a world before vaccinations, we would have one after. Some vaccinations maybe good, some are not. Let informed parents make those decisions, not government, religion or business.
Then what we need here is better information for parents so they can make informed decisions, like what are the "complications from live vaccines" and how do they actually correlate?


Edited by Dean - November 26 2011 at 10:46
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Exactly right, lets put the cards on the table not in fine print but an upfront manner with all the true statistics involved.
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Go on then.
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The true spirit of Christmas. 

Perhaps she thought they were OWS protesters and that it was ok to do that.  LOL
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[QUOTE=Dean]Go on then.[/QUOTe

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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Go on then.

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Here will do just fine.
 
What are the "complications from live vaccines" and how do they actually correlate?
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Originally posted by KoS KoS wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

^ It is not a crime to not immunize your child
It should be, as it is a crime not to feed your child or to neglect your child.

Government should not be dictating what medical procedures you can get or should get. I am sure the Amish children are not dying from those childhood diseases. What do you say to the parents of children who actually suffer complications from live vaccines?? Do you claim they committed a crime as bad as neglect etc?In this day of the usurption of rights by governments what is left to decide by parents, maybe what time the child should go to bed. We had a world before vaccinations, we would have one after. Some vaccinations maybe good, some are not. Let informed parents make those decisions, not government, religion or business.
There are constant outbreaks of preventable diseases in the Amish population.


Also, "informed parents"LOL That's an oxymoron. 
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Not going to participate, you can do the research as well as I can

"The risk of vaccination must be considered as important—and potentially more serious—than the risk of a childhood disease. Years of experience and thousands of hours of research have lead to conclusions that are not uniformly accepted: the importance of legally ensuring vaccine exemptions in each State and the right to refuse Nationally mandated vaccinations...

Humans are intrinsically healthy and tend to remain so if they are given nutritious, non-GMO foods, fresh air, and clean water. We have been blessed with God-given protective barriers against infectious diseases, including our skin and immune system...

[H]ow did we come to embrace the idea that injecting solutions of chemically-treated, inactivated viruses, parts of bacteria, traces of animal tissue and heavy metals, such as mercury and aluminum, was a reasonable strategy for keeping human beings—babies, children and adults—healthy?...

Parents, and all adults, must retain their right to refuse vaccines. They are not without risk, and those 'rare' complications can result in significant costs, both economic and in terms of human life...

When we give government the power to make medical decisions for us—and force us to vaccinate and medicate our children in the name 'health' and 'policy' and for 'the greater good' we, in essence, accept that the state owns our bodies, and, apparently, our children
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If you had a child harmed by a live vaccine you might not find it so funny but rather heartbreaking
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

If you had a child harmed by a live vaccine you might not find it so funny but rather heartbreaking

I'd like to think that if you had a child saved by vaccination you'd feel likewise.  If you had a child harmed by disease that could have been prevented by a vaccination I guess you'd be feeling rather proud of yourself.
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Not going to participate, you can do the research as well as I can

"The risk of vaccination must be considered as important—and potentially more serious—than the risk of a childhood disease. Years of experience and thousands of hours of research have lead to conclusions that are not uniformly accepted: the importance of legally ensuring vaccine exemptions in each State and the right to refuse Nationally mandated vaccinations...

Humans are intrinsically healthy and tend to remain so if they are given nutritious, non-GMO foods, fresh air, and clean water. We have been blessed with God-given protective barriers against infectious diseases, including our skin and immune system...

[H]ow did we come to embrace the idea that injecting solutions of chemically-treated, inactivated viruses, parts of bacteria, traces of animal tissue and heavy metals, such as mercury and aluminum, was a reasonable strategy for keeping human beings—babies, children and adults—healthy?...

Parents, and all adults, must retain their right to refuse vaccines. They are not without risk, and those 'rare' complications can result in significant costs, both economic and in terms of human life...

When we give government the power to make medical decisions for us—and force us to vaccinate and medicate our children in the name 'health' and 'policy' and for 'the greater good' we, in essence, accept that the state owns our bodies, and, apparently, our children

But please, I mean real science, proper medical studies, actual facts and figures, not anti-vaccine propaganda, I can read that anywhere (in fact I can read this particular quote on every anti-vaccine site going).
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