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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2011 at 18:43
The question should be, why don't more women like it?
Better yet, why don't more people in general? I'm sick of having to explain my music and get looks like I'm an alienCry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2011 at 18:54
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

The question should be, why don't more women like it?
Better yet, why don't more people in general? I'm sick of having to explain my music and get looks like I'm an alienCry


I love being an alien! Tongue

To reply to the original question, well, I like prog because,most of the bands I like happen to be prog. It's that simple.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2011 at 18:58
 
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:



Then tell me why, whenever I go to a jam band concert, or a jazz concert; which are both very far away from the mainstream, are there usually tons of girls there?


Whenever I go to any concert, there's a bunch of girls there. Doesn't necessarily mean they're there because they care about the music - it's a social event so they're there to socialize and hang out with their boyfriends, for the most part (especially at jazz and jamband concerts which are not mainstream but have distinct "scenes" around them). Fits into Abnormalist's theory quite well.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2011 at 19:26
Originally posted by abnormalist abnormalist wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by abnormalist abnormalist wrote:

As a girl myself, here's my theory:

Women tend to feel more the need to be able to share their musical tastes with others(basically liking the music and at the same time connecting with other people through it).

That might explain why, in general, you see more "fangirls" of a particular artist than "fanboys"(there are often almost as many, but men are less prone to admit being fanboys of something, at least from what I've seen).

Basically, since the genres that gain more exposure are miles away from prog, it's tougher for girls to find that social aspect in progressive music.

Also(again from what I've seen), and as stated by others, men tend to focus more on one particular aspect of whatever they listen to, while women focus more on different aspects. Therefore, the latter might pay more attention not just to the music, but also to other aspects of the band/artist, like their image, their history, their fanbase, what the media says about them... Since most prog bands put the emphasis more on the music and not on the other aspects, it is maybe less appealing to some women who would have otherwise liked it.

Of course I'm making generalizations here, but that is all my opinion, and I could be completely wrong.

Also, it's kind of cool being in the minority (I know it's a bit stupid, but that's how I roll).


Then tell me why, whenever I go to a jam band concert, or a jazz concert; which are both very far away from the mainstream, are there usually tons of girls there?


Maybe it's because jazz has been around far longer than prog and has more of a tradition of listeners (it has had the time to become more widespread without necessarily turning mainstream)... I don't really know, to be honest.Ermm



Prog has been around long enough for it to reach the female audience.

Jazz has had times of mainstream success. They haven't happened for a very long time, though, and the average person, man or woman, know little to nothing about the genre (other than, "oh they just play random notes")

And by girls I see at these shows, I don't mean older ones who probably got into jazz back when it was still popular (the 70s), but I mean girls between 20-35. I'm merely arguing against what you said about girls needing music to be more of "sharing" experience; which I agree with, with women who like more popular forms of music.




Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

 
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:



Then tell me why, whenever I go to a jam band concert, or a jazz concert; which are both very far away from the mainstream, are there usually tons of girls there?


Whenever I go to any concert, there's a bunch of girls there. Doesn't necessarily mean they're there because they care about the music - it's a social event so they're there to socialize and hang out with their boyfriends, for the most part (especially at jazz and jamband concerts which are not mainstream but have distinct "scenes" around them). Fits into Abnormalist's theory quite well.


Yes you're right, but, particularly at jam band concerts; there are usually GROUPS of girls, with no male companion in sight, so that theory fails.

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On Topic: Ive said similar things in previous threads on this topic, but I feel (generally speaking) that men look at certain music as "important" whereas women look at certain music as just "fun/entertainment". There's no reason for the 2 to be interchangeable, but I think you guys know what I mean.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2011 at 19:59
The funniest part of the Rush documentary was Taylor hicks explaining how every Rush concert he's been to was a total sausage fest - then cut to a bunch of geeky middle-aged dudes playing air guitar together.

And here's the bathroom scene at one of their recent San Fran shows:

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2011 at 20:06
Originally posted by abnormalist abnormalist wrote:


Sometimes I feel so aloooone...Unhappy


James Labrie understands...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2011 at 20:16
Why don't hermaphrodites like prog?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2011 at 20:48
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:



Yes you're right, but, particularly at jam band concerts; there are usually GROUPS of girls, with no male companion in sight, so that theory fails.



The jamband scene is a very very social, hippy-ish one. So I think the theory applies, as a general rule. As you said, they are in groups. So they're hanging out with girlfriends then, at the concert instead of the mall. Big difference.Tongue
But of course, there are always exceptions. As I've said, there's gotta be more to it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2011 at 21:26
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Jazz has had times of mainstream success. They haven't happened for a very long time, though, and the average person, man or woman, know little to nothing about the genre (other than, "oh they just play random notes")
 
While it is true that jazz doesn't penetrate the mainstream anymore, jazz has a much stronger presence in culture (and I mean culture, not just music culture) than prog ever had. Same goes for classical music.  Even if people don't really know what exactly Mozart or Miles did, they know who they were.


Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

On Topic: Ive said similar things in previous threads on this topic, but I feel (generally speaking) that men look at certain music as "important" whereas women look at certain music as just "fun/entertainment". There's no reason for the 2 to be interchangeable, but I think you guys know what I mean.
 
More like, the kind of person who listens to prog considers music as important and the rest think it's just entertainment.  And these kind of persons are a minority at best.  Since jazz and classical ARE regarded as serious business, my guess is women who regard music seriously tend more to these genres. How could they guess that geeks rule a certain section of rock music too! Cool
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2011 at 21:28
You guys know there are genres of music that have dedicated/serious fans other than prog, jazz, and classical, right?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2011 at 21:40
Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Why don't hermaphrodites like prog?

They only like music that appeals to both genders, so since we've firmly established that no women (any of them, AT ALL) like prog, hermaphrodites would feel only half complete at a prog concert.  Like a s'more without the marshmallow.  Or like a youtube video without the word "gay" somewhere in the comments section.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2011 at 22:02
Originally posted by Redug Redug wrote:

You guys know there are genres of music that have dedicated/serious fans other than prog, jazz, and classical, right?
 
darkshade was comparing attendance in jazz and classical to prog. Of course, plenty genres have dedicated fans, even some pop music for that matter. Also, serious fans and the music itself being perceived as serious or academic are two different things.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2011 at 22:26
Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Why don't hermaphrodites like prog?

How do you know they don't?
Were they offended by that song?
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2011 at 05:02
It's a good way to seduce men...Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2011 at 05:17
Originally posted by Eärendil Eärendil wrote:

we've firmly established that no women (any of them, AT ALL) like prog
 
Cry What, none of them in the whole world?
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2011 at 07:12
Because some people like prog???
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2011 at 07:19
Sorry. I should have read the thread. It just seemed such a strange question.

Within the prog-liking people that I know, there isn't any difference in male/female ratios.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2011 at 09:11
I was able to get my ex- to like Harmonium and Yes, but that's it. She was first-chair violin in college orchestra, so I suppose she was more interested in good music than other women. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2011 at 09:54
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Originally posted by Redug Redug wrote:

I am not asserting that male's have a "superior" brain, as I believe that much to be false.

However if you believe(edit) the idea that there is not a scientific basis in how the human brain works you are genuinely foolish, unless you also believe that neurology is an art form.


No, neurology is a science, but I just hope you are aware about some experiences in the 2000's, using IRM.
The difference isn't between the brain of men and the brain of women. The difference is between each individuals.
Two women would have completely different ways to use their brains to resolve a mathematics problems, for example. In fact, it had even been shown that people can also use differents zones of the brain to solve the same problems.

By the way, the book "Men are from Mars, women are from Venus" was already obsolete 15 years ago.


Exactly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2011 at 14:09
I've known a lot of women to be into experimental music, like
the avant-garde stuff that has little traditional musical resemblances.
Seems like there are perhaps a greater percentage of women
into that than prog.

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