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The question should be, why don't more women like it? Better yet, why don't more people in general? I'm sick of having to explain my music and get looks like I'm an alien
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Posted: November 21 2011 at 18:54
JJLehto wrote:
The question should be, why don't more women like it? Better yet, why don't more people in general? I'm sick of having to explain my music and get looks like I'm an alien
I love being an alien!
To reply to the original question, well, I like prog because,most of the bands I like happen to be prog. It's that simple.
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Posted: November 21 2011 at 18:58
darkshade wrote:
Then tell me why, whenever I go to a jam band concert, or a jazz concert; which are both very far away from the mainstream, are there usually tons of girls there?
Whenever I go to any concert, there's a bunch of girls there. Doesn't necessarily mean they're there because they care about the music - it's a social event so they're there to socialize and hang out with their boyfriends, for the most part (especially at jazz and jamband concerts which are not mainstream but have distinct "scenes" around them). Fits into Abnormalist's theory quite well.
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Posted: November 21 2011 at 19:26
abnormalist wrote:
darkshade wrote:
abnormalist wrote:
As a girl myself, here's my theory:
Women tend
to feel more the need to be able to share their musical tastes with
others(basically liking the music and at the same time connecting with
other people through it).
That might explain why, in general, you
see more "fangirls" of a particular artist than "fanboys"(there are
often almost as many, but men are less prone to admit being fanboys of
something, at least from what I've seen).
Basically, since the
genres that gain more exposure are miles away from prog, it's tougher
for girls to find that social aspect in progressive music.
Also(again
from what I've seen), and as stated by others, men tend to focus more
on one particular aspect of whatever they listen to, while women focus
more on different aspects. Therefore, the latter might pay more
attention not just to the music, but also to other aspects of the
band/artist, like their image, their history, their fanbase, what the
media says about them... Since most prog bands put the emphasis more on
the music and not on the other aspects, it is maybe less appealing to
some women who would have otherwise liked it.
Of course I'm making generalizations here, but that is all my opinion, and I could be completely wrong.
Also, it's kind of cool being in the minority (I know it's a bit stupid, but that's how I roll).
Then tell me why, whenever I go to a jam band concert, or a jazz concert; which are both very far away from the mainstream, are there usually tons of girls there?
Maybe
it's because jazz has been around far longer than prog and has more of a
tradition of listeners (it has had the time to become more widespread
without necessarily turning mainstream)... I don't really know, to be
honest.
Prog has been around long enough for it to reach the female audience.
Jazz has had times of mainstream success. They haven't happened for a very long time, though, and the average person, man or woman, know little to nothing about the genre (other than, "oh they just play random notes")
And by girls I see at these shows, I don't mean older ones who probably got into jazz back when it was still popular (the 70s), but I mean girls between 20-35. I'm merely arguing against what you said about girls needing music to be more of "sharing" experience; which I agree with, with women who like more popular forms of music.
The Miracle wrote:
darkshade wrote:
Then tell me why, whenever I go to a jam band concert, or a jazz concert; which are both very far away from the mainstream, are there usually tons of girls there?
Whenever I go to any concert, there's a bunch of girls there. Doesn't necessarily mean they're there because they care about the music - it's a social event so they're there to socialize and hang out with their boyfriends, for the most part (especially at jazz and jamband concerts which are not mainstream but have distinct "scenes" around them). Fits into Abnormalist's theory quite well.
Yes you're right, but, particularly at jam band concerts; there are usually GROUPS of girls, with no male companion in sight, so that theory fails.
On Topic: Ive said similar things in previous threads on this topic, but I feel (generally speaking) that men look at certain music as "important" whereas women look at certain music as just "fun/entertainment". There's no reason for the 2 to be interchangeable, but I think you guys know what I mean.
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Posted: November 21 2011 at 19:59
The funniest part of the Rush documentary was Taylor hicks explaining how every Rush concert he's been to was a total sausage fest - then cut to a bunch of geeky middle-aged dudes playing air guitar together.
And here's the bathroom scene at one of their recent San Fran shows:
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Posted: November 21 2011 at 20:48
darkshade wrote:
Yes you're right, but, particularly at jam band concerts; there are usually GROUPS of girls, with no male companion in sight, so that theory fails.
The jamband scene is a very very social, hippy-ish one. So I think the theory applies, as a general rule. As you said, they are in groups. So they're hanging out with girlfriends then, at the concert instead of the mall. Big difference. But of course, there are always exceptions. As I've said, there's gotta be more to it.
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Posted: November 21 2011 at 21:26
darkshade wrote:
Jazz has had times of mainstream success. They haven't happened for a very long time, though, and the average person, man or woman, know little to nothing about the genre (other than, "oh they just play random notes")
While it is true that jazz doesn't penetrate the mainstream anymore, jazz has a much stronger presence in culture (and I mean culture, not just music culture) than prog ever had. Same goes for classical music. Even if people don't really know what exactly Mozart or Miles did, they know who they were.
darkshade wrote:
On Topic: Ive said similar things in previous threads on this topic, but I feel (generally speaking) that men look at certain music as "important" whereas women look at certain music as just "fun/entertainment". There's no reason for the 2 to be interchangeable, but I think you guys know what I mean.
More like, the kind of person who listens to prog considers music as important and the rest think it's just entertainment. And these kind of persons are a minority at best. Since jazz and classical ARE regarded as serious business, my guess is women who regard music seriously tend more to these genres. How could they guess that geeks rule a certain section of rock music too!
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Posted: November 21 2011 at 21:40
Anthony H. wrote:
Why don't hermaphrodites like prog?
They only like music that appeals to both genders, so since we've firmly established that no women (any of them, AT ALL) like prog, hermaphrodites would feel only half complete at a prog concert. Like a s'more without the marshmallow. Or like a youtube video without the word "gay" somewhere in the comments section.
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Posted: November 21 2011 at 22:02
Redug wrote:
You guys know there are genres of music that have dedicated/serious fans other than prog, jazz, and classical, right?
darkshade was comparing attendance in jazz and classical to prog. Of course, plenty genres have dedicated fans, even some pop music for that matter. Also, serious fans and the music itself being perceived as serious or academic are two different things.
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Posted: November 22 2011 at 09:11
I was able to get my ex- to like Harmonium and Yes, but that's it. She was first-chair violin in college orchestra, so I suppose she was more interested in good music than other women.
I am not asserting that male's have a "superior" brain, as I believe that much to be false.
However if you believe(edit) the idea that there is not a scientific basis in how the human brain works you are genuinely foolish, unless you also believe that neurology is an art form.
No, neurology is a science, but I just hope you are aware about some experiences in the 2000's, using IRM. The difference isn't between the brain of men and the brain of women. The difference is between each individuals. Two women would have completely different ways to use their brains to resolve a mathematics problems, for example. In fact, it had even been shown that people can also use differents zones of the brain to solve the same problems.
By the way, the book "Men are from Mars, women are from Venus" was already obsolete 15 years ago.
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Posted: November 22 2011 at 14:09
I've known a lot of women to be into experimental music, like the avant-garde stuff that has little traditional musical resemblances. Seems like there are perhaps a greater percentage of women into that than prog.
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