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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 09 2011 at 19:03 | ||
The effort is better spent reviewing the albums rather than fretting over the categorizations. I think jazzmusicarchives has a better organization. "Related" isn't a second class citizen category and not having to put one artist in a single category are improvements. I only have to guess that transitioning PA over to something like that now would be a monumental undertaking. Edited by Slartibartfast - November 09 2011 at 19:36 |
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richardh
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 28439 |
Posted: November 10 2011 at 15:30 | ||
I have many Vangelis albums. These are most certainly 'progressive electronic':
Heaven and Hell
Albedo 0.39
Spiral
Beauborg
Invisible Connections
Direct
beyond that little lot I'm not convinced anything else is 'progressive ,most of it being a mixture of OST's ,quasi classical works and 'new age' stuff.
Much of Vangelis work is just Vangelis being Vangelis. Not sure if he even really cares about being 'progressive' anymore and probably hasn't been in any way 'progressive' since about 1990.
His very early albums like Earth, Hypothesis and The Dragon are quite experimental but don't actually feature synthesisers to the best of my knowledge so could they really be classed as 'progressive electronic'? Edited by richardh - November 10 2011 at 15:30 |
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jean-marie
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Posted: November 10 2011 at 16:00 | ||
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moshkito
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Posted: November 10 2011 at 18:02 | ||
He's a self taught musician in a house of musicians. And if we can add a non-joke here, may I suggest that you stop listening for the OST's and other definitions and start listening for the spoons. AND, that is a no kidding and from his own mouth! They are in EVERY one of his compositions, regardless of what it is!
He was one of the very first to talk about the selling out of music, way back in 1975 and 1976 and his comments about "commercial music" still are quite vivid in my mind, and probably are the very foundtation of the work I write and state in this board, for example, which some folks do not like.
All in all, he doesn't need to be considered "prog" ... like Mike, or Ryuichi and others ... he's a COMPOSER and he deserves that right for the amount of work he has done, including an Oscar. And it doesn't matter to me if we think it is "prog" or not ... once again ... it's MUSIC. And that's more important than "prog" will ever be.
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richardh
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 28439 |
Posted: November 11 2011 at 04:15 | ||
anyway the thread was asking whether Vangelis was 'progressive' and I tried to answer it. I own a load of Vangelis albums which I enjoy regardless of what category they are pigeon holed into. My favourite is probably El Greco (just so beautifull) but if I want to get my rocks off then I put on Heaven and Hell as loud as my ears can stand it. I enjoy his body of work which is varied and interesting. Is that okay with you?
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Snow Dog
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Posted: November 11 2011 at 04:42 | ||
This ia a prog music site in case you hadn't noticed. We just can't put him anywhere. There is no genre here called "music". Where would you suggest he goes? Add something to the debate at hand for a change.
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: November 11 2011 at 05:25 | ||
^ There is nothing worse than a self employed building inspector booking a room in a construction he considers we're lucky still to be alive in to alert us of this fact
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: November 11 2011 at 09:38 | ||
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - November 11 2011 at 09:54 |
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Dean
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Posted: November 11 2011 at 09:46 | ||
^ ... I thought I'd read somewhere that he had studied music at academic level. I also believe that other musicians spoke out about commercial music long before 1975 - the phrase "sell-out" being a popular term of derision in Prog circles for many years.
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richardh
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 28439 |
Posted: November 11 2011 at 09:47 | ||
brilliant
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: November 11 2011 at 10:05 | ||
Exactly, and most of the ones who protested against selling out, ended making commercial music for different reasons, mainly because they required money to survive. A good example is Rick Wakeman, a prolific Prog musician who found at the age of 25, after a heart attack, he had made a terrible business with a label (A&M) and that his family was not protected in case he died. A few years later, he made music he could sell easily, but when he got enough money, he returned to his beloved genre. Peter Gabriel almost fell in bankruptcy due to the artistic acclaimed WOMAD, and he made a couple of simpler albums (Still all very good) to get back on his feet, then he returned to his roots Life is not easy, but Prog Archives has a duty to support PRIMARILY artists who devoted themselves to Prog, of course not forgetting artists who made a Prog - Commercial career if they fit in a sub-genre, if they don't fit in one, Prog Related is their place. Of course I believe guys like Vangelis, Wakeman and Gabriel have a place in a full genre (each one in a different one), due to what they did in their Prog facets. Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - November 11 2011 at 10:06 |
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TODDLER
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Posted: November 11 2011 at 11:51 | ||
When he got his offer from Anderson the interest in him from members of YES as a whole ...I bet had to do more with his original style. His was electronic, played grand piano so greatly it could give you the chills. He was Classical and Jazz combined. Wakeman's music crossed over into Electronic music.. Moraz, Wakeman, and Vangelis were very diverse as players. I still can't get this out of my head....if Vangelis had played on Relayer or Topographic imagine the change in chord structures and what he would have done with the ambient sections during Anderson's vocals. He has an interesting catalog.
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Chris S
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Posted: November 11 2011 at 12:56 | ||
^ We must leave Relayer well alone....Moraz was just perfect
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: November 11 2011 at 13:42 | ||
More ambient sections in the vein of Short Stories,.would had ruined Relayer, one of the few Yes masterpieces.
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verslibre
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Posted: November 15 2011 at 16:43 | ||
Vangelis is awesome. Prog? Certainly. That's where my vote went.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: November 15 2011 at 16:47 | ||
I went with the prog option as well. The guy has made a lot of different albums with all kinds of influences. In fact I just reviewed his Krautrock album The Dragon. My personal fave from him, although it is a far cry from the rest of his output.
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octopus-4
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Posted: May 01 2012 at 16:54 | ||
The very first albums were avant-jazz, then he went to symphonic prog, then progressive electronic with excursions in newage and avantgarde/contemporary classics (beaubourg and invisible connections). Why is he considered "related"? for his works with Jon Anderson? In that case please note that "Jon and Vangelis" is a different entity on PA.
Well, I have found this thread six months after the last post, but Vangelis is still prog-related so....
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richardh
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Posted: May 02 2012 at 01:58 | ||
btw which albums are symphonic prog? Perhaps you were thinking Heaven and Hell?
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octopus-4
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Posted: May 02 2012 at 04:11 | ||
Of course, I think Heaven and Hell is Symphonic, but also the suite on Chariots of Fire comes in mind.
But with the English Chamber Choir and the soprano Vana Veroutis we could look for Zeuhl
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richardh
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Posted: May 02 2012 at 14:51 | ||
Absolutely. Going by a recent interview that Vangelis gave he has composed a lot of symphonic music that hasn't been released sadly. The record companies only want the electronic stuff. The Chariots of Fire suite is excellent and maybe a little overlooked.
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