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Points: 178 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2011 at 20:20
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Nobody cares about Kant.
Why don't you like like Kant? I happen to have read The Ground-working of the Metaphysics of Morals its very interesting...
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Points: 8543 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2011 at 20:23
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A comatose person inflicts burdens upon others, yet has no emotion, feeling, or any say in society whatsoever.  Should they be killed?



You do know that many who are determined to be in a permanent vegetative state are removed from life support and allowed to die, right?
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Points: 31169 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2011 at 20:44
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Points: 15784 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2011 at 21:59
Originally posted by Hober Mallow Hober Mallow wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Nobody cares about Kant.
Why don't you like like Kant? I happen to have read The Ground-working of the Metaphysics of Morals its very interesting...


First off, he should have learned how to write before he decided to write. Secondly, he left many holes which he failed to address.
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Points: 220 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2011 at 21:59
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:



A comatose person inflicts burdens upon others, yet has no emotion, feeling, or any say in society whatsoever.  Should they be killed?



You do know that many who are determined to be in a permanent vegetative state are removed from life support and allowed to die, right?


That usually depends on their will.
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Points: 7910 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2011 at 00:47
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

I hesitate stepping foot into a thread like this because it just becomes all buzzes and pops with all of the different facts and viewpoints bouncing around; however, I feel there's something a bit out of whack when people will chain themselves to a tree to protect it, but won't defend an unborn child with the same passion and vigor.

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Eric, not to reduce human life to simply a part of the environment, although in many ways, that is all we are, but trees = good for the earth and the continued existence of all species.  humans (at least in the numbers we have now) = bad for the earth and a threat to the continued existence of all species. 

Number 2.  I have never and will never chain myself to a tree.  I have allergies.  Wink


Well, the fact of the matter is more trees are planted than harvested. I think we're good.

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Points: 16715 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2011 at 00:55
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Well, the fact of the matter is more trees are planted than harvested. I think we're good.

Well, except that species diversity is important...
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Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

^ I think Stonebeard is merely reiterating (similar to Equality) that he cannot understand why some people would source their opinion on abortion based on an emotional/aesthetic response. To infer from his post that he sanctions the killing of  people he does not 'care' for is frankly preposterous.Confused

I just trying to show the logical conclusion of such a line of thinking is all. I don't actually think stoney is a sociopath. You just gotta be careful how you justify your actions or you may open the door for situations and circumstances you never thought of.

Read "Grounding for the Metaphysics of Morals" sometime. It's a good read.


OK point taken (but you could have played the Devil's advocate card a bit stronger cos I'm thick, and wouldn't understand a word of Grounding for the Metaphysics of Morals btw - how long was Kant grounded for?) Big smile
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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2011 at 07:45
Originally posted by TheMasterMofo TheMasterMofo wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:



A comatose person inflicts burdens upon others, yet has no emotion, feeling, or any say in society whatsoever.  Should they be killed?



You do know that many who are determined to be in a permanent vegetative state are removed from life support and allowed to die, right?


That usually depends on their will.

No, if a person is in a vegetative state they should be cooked and eaten.   And I would leave the decision up to the fictional character Will Riker or the fictional actor Will Wheaton.


Edited by Slartibartfast - November 05 2011 at 07:45
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Points: 336 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2011 at 08:47
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What is the meaning of life? 

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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

^ I think Stonebeard is merely reiterating (similar to Equality) that he cannot understand why some people would source their opinion on abortion based on an emotional/aesthetic response. To infer from his post that he sanctions the killing of  people he does not 'care' for is frankly preposterous.Confused

I just trying to show the logical conclusion of such a line of thinking is all. I don't actually think stoney is a sociopath. You just gotta be careful how you justify your actions or you may open the door for situations and circumstances you never thought of.

Read "Grounding for the Metaphysics of Morals" sometime. It's a good read.


OK point taken (but you could have played the Devil's advocate card a bit stronger cos I'm thick, and wouldn't understand a word of Grounding for the Metaphysics of Morals btw - how long was Kant grounded for?) Big smile
Interestingly enough, this line of thinking is in the IEEE code of ethics. I forget the exact wording, but we're charged with planning for every possible use and misuse of any technology we create.
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Points: 4625 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2011 at 13:12
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by Hober Mallow Hober Mallow wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Nobody cares about Kant.
Why don't you like like Kant? I happen to have read The Ground-working of the Metaphysics of Morals its very interesting...


First off, he should have learned how to write before he decided to write. Secondly, he left many holes which he failed to address.
Keep in mind it was originally written in German. Secondly, I've never read a work by any philosopher that couldn't have holes poked in it. Just because it aint perfect, doesnt mean it's useless.
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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2011 at 14:01
Then it's resolved, legal only on Tuesdays after dark. Tongue
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Points: 4625 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2011 at 14:01
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Then it's resolved, legal only on Tuesdays after dark. Tongue
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Points: 28057 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2011 at 16:35
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by Hober Mallow Hober Mallow wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Nobody cares about Kant.
Why don't you like like Kant? I happen to have read The Ground-working of the Metaphysics of Morals its very interesting...


First off, he should have learned how to write before he decided to write. 

There has never been one thing I've agreed with yo more about. Most philosophers who have something interesting to say don't know how to say it with brevity or wit. Kant is second only to certain people who responded to him.
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Points: 15784 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2011 at 17:15
Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by Hober Mallow Hober Mallow wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Nobody cares about Kant.
Why don't you like like Kant? I happen to have read The Ground-working of the Metaphysics of Morals its very interesting...


First off, he should have learned how to write before he decided to write. Secondly, he left many holes which he failed to address.
Keep in mind it was originally written in German. Secondly, I've never read a work by any philosopher that couldn't have holes poked in it. Just because it aint perfect, doesnt mean it's useless.


Depends on how severe the holes are. I don't find his writing particularly profound. I've read plenty of works translated from German that are coherent. I'm sure he was unable to write in German too.
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Points: 15784 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2011 at 17:17
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by Hober Mallow Hober Mallow wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Nobody cares about Kant.
Why don't you like like Kant? I happen to have read The Ground-working of the Metaphysics of Morals its very interesting...


First off, he should have learned how to write before he decided to write. 

There has never been one thing I've agreed with yo more about. Most philosophers who have something interesting to say don't know how to say it with brevity or wit. Kant is second only to certain people who responded to him.


Glad someone agrees with me on this point. It's sad that you can read Aristotle and have it be infinitely more clear than Kant despite the obvious difficulty in translating the former compared to the later.
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Points: 4625 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2011 at 18:47
Kant's philosophy is immensely more complex than is Aristotle's. That's like saying your Calculus book is bad because you had a much harder time understanding it than your 3rd grade arithmetic book.
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Points: 32550 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2011 at 18:52
As someone who has a minor in philosophy (I think), let me just say that debating about philosophers is stupid.
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2011 at 19:04
Metaphilosophy is a very important field of study... Why and how do people philosophize? We have to get better at philosophising about philosofy. That's what philosophy has always been lacking...
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