Abortion: Legal or Illegal

After an abortion is performed are both woman and doctor co-conspirators to a murder? Should both be sentenced to life-imprisonment or the death penalty according to the laws of their state/country? Is the father/boyfriend of the fetus exempt of charges because it was not his body impregnated?

Okay, this is sidetracking from the OP and I'm just here to stir the pot even more.

Well, I was thinking murder charges actually


Edited by catfood03 - November 03 2011 at 22:57

Epignosis wrote: catfood03 wrote: Well, I was thinking murder charges actually What? A man impregnates a woman.  She alone decides to have an abortion. The man is charged with murder? Huh?

Well, the man had just as much of a role in the pregnancy as the woman did, right? They both chose to have unprotected sex.

What if the man wanted an abortion? Is he have intent to kill?

TheMasterMofo wrote: stonebeard wrote: TheMasterMofo wrote: My whole problem with it is that it seems illogical that you can kill people at a certain early age and it's fine, but it's illegal to do it when they're born. I'm just going to say it: a fetus is not a person and does not deserve all  the rights we afford to born people. As I've said before, ideally I'd most prefer to draw the line at the threshold of pain, or as best we can approximate that, before abortion becomes tricky. But merely being conceived does not mean anything to me. Based on what logic? A human man and a human woman have human sex. The human sperm connects with a human egg and grows inside of the human woman's human womb. After nine months a human baby pops out of the human woman's vag' and grows into a human adult. At what point does the "fetus" magically cease to be human?

Edited by stonebeard - November 03 2011 at 23:20

Freewill........yet the planet just hit  7 billion human beings on Monday. Go figure the behavior of our species

stonebeard wrote: Just because a collection of cells has  the genetic data of two homo sapiens does not mean I have to treat its existence with the same respect as a fully born person. You may disagree, and that's your prerogative. The point is never that it ceases to be of that species, but that it only acquires the rights we normally afford to regular, born, people after a certain threshold. I do not believe that threshold is conception.

Many people would argue that babies and kids shouldn't be treated with the same respect as a fully grown person. Using your logic, the door for that being accepted would be opened. Not such a good idea.

Equality 7-2521 wrote: stonebeard wrote: TheMasterMofo wrote: stonebeard wrote: TheMasterMofo wrote: My whole problem with it is that it seems illogical that you can kill people at a certain early age and it's fine, but it's illegal to do it when they're born. I'm just going to say it: a fetus is not a person and does not deserve all  the rights we afford to born people. As I've said before, ideally I'd most prefer to draw the line at the threshold of pain, or as best we can approximate that, before abortion becomes tricky. But merely being conceived does not mean anything to me. Based on what logic? A human man and a human woman have human sex. The human sperm connects with a human egg and grows inside of the human woman's human womb. After nine months a human baby pops out of the human woman's vag' and grows into a human adult. At what point does the "fetus" magically cease to be human? Just because a collection of cells has  the genetic data of two homo sapiens does not mean I have to treat its existence with the same respect as a fully born person. You may disagree, and that's your prerogative. The point is never that it ceases to be of that species, but that it only acquires the rights we normally afford to regular, born, people after a certain threshold. I do not believe that threshold is conception. You are willing to give rights to animals and the environment though aren't you?

Both leftist and right-wingers seem to be hypocritical on value of life issues. Hippies wanna hug the trees, but killing fetuses is fine. Human life is immutably sacred if you're a right-winger, unless you're an inmate on death row or a Muslim. I want my cake and eat it too.

Deathrabbit wrote: Both leftist and right-wingers seem to be hypocritical on value of life issues. Hippies wanna hug the trees, but killing fetuses is fine. Human life is immutably sacred if you're a right-winger, unless you're an inmate on death row or a Muslim. I want my cake and eat it too.

Its good to know that there's more options in life than belonging to hippie idiot left or christian idiot right then. Atleast in the part of the world where I live it is.

Deathrabbit wrote: Saperlipopette! wrote: Deathrabbit wrote: Both leftist and right-wingers seem to be hypocritical on value of life issues. Hippies wanna hug the trees, but killing fetuses is fine. Human life is immutably sacred if you're a right-winger, unless you're an inmate on death row or a Muslim. I want my cake and eat it too. Its good to know that there's more options in life than belonging to hippie idiot left or christian idiot right then. Atleast in the part of the world where I live it is. Tru dat. The problem is the media, and every politician except for Ron Paul seems to be unaware of a middle ground.

Ehm there's a whole world of politicians and politics outside the US, you know.

But nevermind: Here's John Cleese on extremism. Very funny, but this was an actual political broadcast for an actual political party in the UK.



Here's the full version. A lot of truth about Left vs Right politics here.