Abortion: Legal or Illegal

Look, I believe life begins at conception.  That's when the two sets of genetic material come together.  It is also true that not all fertilized eggs get implanted and develop into babies.  Then there are miscarriages and even up to the end of pregnancy there sometimes arise situations where it's going to be the life of one or the other.  Who should play God and choose?  The woman should have the last say.  The notion that a woman is going to carry a developing baby for nine months or so and then get an abortion before birth on a whim is ludicrous. 

First they come for abortion rights, but lets not forget that contraception is in the cross-hairs of many on the anti-abortion side.  Also, many want to dictate how you conduct your sex lives, who you are allowed marry, etc.

In the end outlawing abortion doesn't put an end to the practice.  It just criminalizes it and makes it dangerous.


Edited by Slartibartfast - November 02 2011 at 07:08

The earth has 7 billion people. By 2025 there will be 10 billion, most of them starving and unwanted. Keep abortion legal, or start handing out saltpeter and condoms.

The Dark Elf wrote: The earth has 7 billion people. By 2025 there will be 10 billion, most of them starving and unwanted. Keep abortion legal, or start handing out saltpeter and condoms.

Oral sex!

Oh wait, oral sex!!!


Edited by Slartibartfast - November 02 2011 at 07:34

Atavachron wrote: Oh that's clear as a bell, and not entirely accurate if you allow killing as part of defending your country and its freedoms, nor if you allow a home or business owner to shoot a trespasser.  Even if a woman getting an abortion agreed with you philosophically regarding the rights of the unborn, it doesn't make it right to deny her by law an act she deems correct or necessary.   I suspect deeply that none of us know, even some women, why abortion rights are important.  Many of these women no doubt deeply regret their decision even before they have a procedure, and still refuse to deny the right to others.  That aside, don't make this personal, it's a mistake.  It's off point whether you think I'm an enlightened male bullsh*t grandstander or not, and irrelevant.

 

I think it should def be legal in the case of rape, danger to the mother, etc. As far as other cases, I think it should be a state's rights issue. I personally think it's a scummy thing to do without good reason, but I do not believe first trimester abortions are tantamount to murder. It however, is more than squashing a bug, which is how some people make it out to be. One of my close friends was nearly aborted because the doctor suspected she had down syndrome, but her mom didn't have the heart to do it and it turned out she was a perfectly beautiful girl. It makes me throw up in my mouth a bit to think she could possibly not have existed.

ExittheLemming wrote: An embryo has no rights...a child cannot acquire any rights until it is born (Ayn Raynd) no being has a right to live, unbidden, as a parasite within or upon some person's body (Murray Rothbard) I find both quotations which reduce human life to that of the small print in a lease agreement, highly repugnant

Saperlipopette! wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: The Dark Elf wrote: The earth has 7 billion people. By 2025 there will be 10 billion, most of them starving and unwanted. Keep abortion legal, or start handing out saltpeter and condoms. Some stats for that? This is hardly news to anyone? The United Nations yesterday revealed unsettling news about the world's population: Instead of leveling off at around 9 billion by 2050, the population will now reach 10.1 billion people by 2100 and keep growing. That projection from the U.N. Population Division reflects revised estimates of fertility particularly in developing countries. Demographer John Bongaarts, a vice president of the Population Council in New York City, spoke with ScienceInsider about why the outlook has changed: The Dark Elf is just exaggerating a bit, but what he says is still valid. There should be born less people in the future, not more.

He said two things and you assumed I was objecting to the more easily measurable of the two statements he made?

Legal. Always, without any ifs. And financed by the country.

I think it's up to medicine to decide.

rushfan4 wrote: Athough I am personally against abortion and would do my part to try and talk anyone that I know who might be in this situation out of having one, I am pro-choice.  I believe that it is an option that should be legally available, otherwise you go back to the days of them being performed in backrooms with rusty hangers.  I must admit that in this day and age that it stuns me that people still have unwanted pregnancies with the availability of the pill and condoms and whatnot, and if you are so stupid to get into this situation then are these really people that we want breeding. (obviously, victims of rape and/or incest do not normally fall under the stupid factor).

You'd be surprised at the amount of guys who will refuse to use condoms.