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Poll Question: Is it child abuse if you name your child Adolf Hitler?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2011 at 20:00
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:


Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:


Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

But what about the torment the child will go through as he's growing up? I think it is child abuse and it is not a parent's right to do whatever they damn well please with their or to their children.  They are not a property interest.  Of course, I'm against white supremacists being able to breed in the first place. 

That sounds like the eugenics that said white supremacists espouse.
Because TheDoctor is the same, just different.
Yeah, us f'ing liberals.  Always wanting to stamp out hate, poverty and unfairness in the world.  Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2011 at 20:01
I never said I wasn't in favor of copulation. Just, that certain people shouldn't do it.  LOL
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2011 at 20:04
Ok good Doc let's not hijack another thread
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2011 at 20:06
Fair enough.  But yes, I do think it's abusive to give your child that kind of name.  But then I think it's abusive for those Aussie parents who wanted to name their child Superman.  That's just asking for your child to be beaten up on a daily basis.  
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2011 at 20:08
^I think nobody should want to beat up a child named Superman
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2011 at 07:50
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

But what about the torment the child will go through as he's growing up? I think it is child abuse and it is not a parent's right to do whatever they damn well please with their or to their children.  They are not a property interest. 

Of course, I'm against white supremacists being able to breed in the first place. 


Suppose you named your child "Cyrus Worthington Black."

Then, three weeks after the child was born, a man named "Cyrus Worthington" makes huge news by bombing fourteen Chicago buildings in the same day, killing an estimated 1,700 people.

Are you then guilty of child abuse for your child's name?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2011 at 08:07
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

I never said I wasn't in favor of copulation. Just, that certain people shouldn't do it.  LOL


I usually don't agree with you, but my wife's uncle and aunt are foster parents...the stories I've heard sometimes make me wish for forced sterilization.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2011 at 08:12
it is like every who after 22/7 with the name Anders Breivik gott hate mails and death threats for their names, should everyone named Anders changed name then

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Sverige Sverige [5] Anders 82 180 (2010) 2 % 2.
Danmark Danmark [6] Anders 35 201 (2007) 1 % 16. 268 (2005) 0,9 % 34.
Norge Norge [3] Anders 19 684 (2006) 0,8 % 19. 132 (2006) 0,5 % 56.
Grønland Grønland [7] Anders 171 (2004) 0,6 % 29.
Finland Finland [8] Anders 11 079 (2007) 0,4 % 22 (2007) 0,08 % 72.
Færøyene Færøyene [9] Anders 11 (2006) 0,04 % 347.

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2011 at 09:42
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

But what about the torment the child will go through as he's growing up? I think it is child abuse and it is not a parent's right to do whatever they damn well please with their or to their children.  They are not a property interest. 

Of course, I'm against white supremacists being able to breed in the first place. 


Suppose you named your child "Cyrus Worthington Black."

Then, three weeks after the child was born, a man named "Cyrus Worthington" makes huge news by bombing fourteen Chicago buildings in the same day, killing an estimated 1,700 people.

Are you then guilty of child abuse for your child's name?



Not sure how that applies to Doc's position, Rob. It's not intentionally giving your child the name of a hugely controversial figure, which is obviously not OK.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2011 at 09:57
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

But what about the torment the child will go through as he's growing up? I think it is child abuse and it is not a parent's right to do whatever they damn well please with their or to their children.  They are not a property interest. 

Of course, I'm against white supremacists being able to breed in the first place. 


Suppose you named your child "Cyrus Worthington Black."

Then, three weeks after the child was born, a man named "Cyrus Worthington" makes huge news by bombing fourteen Chicago buildings in the same day, killing an estimated 1,700 people.

Are you then guilty of child abuse for your child's name?



Not sure how that applies to Doc's position, Rob. It's not intentionally giving your child the name of a hugely controversial figure, which is obviously not OK.  


It applies: What I'm interested to know is vested in that qualifier you just used.  Is it the name itself that makes it child abuse, or is it the motivation of the parents?  If a couple who'd honestly never heard of Adolf Hitler named their child that, would that be child abuse?

Just participating in and exploring the topic.  Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2011 at 10:02
^ I think it would be unintentional abuse. :P 

But that's a completely hypothetical situation, the chances for a, say, Mr. & Mrs Schmidt couple naming their child Adolf Hitler Schmidt without knowing who Adolf Hitler was are zero IMO. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2011 at 10:07
i wonder how far into the future the name Adolf Hitler (shudders) is not linked to a megalomania and genocide or the Swastica is not rememberd as a logo for the same thing, will it ever/never be okey to have it on a CD cover-art work or will it forever be labeld as a symbol of nazisme even in year 4000 or 5000, if humanity come so far
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2011 at 10:19
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

^ I think it would be unintentional abuse. :P 

But that's a completely hypothetical situation, the chances for a, say, Mr. & Mrs Schmidt couple naming their child Adolf Hitler Schmidt without knowing who Adolf Hitler was are zero IMO. 


Not zero- stranger things have happened.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2011 at 10:28
Should have said "virtually zero", indeed. 

Gypsy people do that - they give the name and the surname of a famous figure for their child's name, often with hilarious results. My parents encountered many such children when they were working at the local school for children with disabilities. Hitler wasn't one of them, though, even they know he's not OK, I gather. Iuri Gagarin was a favourite, or classical musicians. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2011 at 10:32
I honestly think it's awful when parents give their child a perfectly normal name with an ridiculous spelling.  That individual will have to spell out his or her name every time.

Also, one of my students is named Garnea.  It is pronounced "Zhuh-nay."  Wacko
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2011 at 10:35
In this case, however, the chances are zero. Their two other children are called JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Nations and Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie Campbell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Himmler

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2011 at 12:15
it is the same story with the name Judas, no one names their kid with that name even if the guy who had the name supposedly died 2011 years ago or so, stil it is not a popular name to many persons, why arent people braking the mold and naming their kid Judas then it is a okey name i think...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2011 at 12:20
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

I never said I wasn't in favor of copulation. Just, that certain people shouldn't do it.  LOL


I usually don't agree with you, but my wife's uncle and aunt are foster parents...the stories I've heard sometimes make me wish for forced sterilization.


I don't know about this case, but there are some people out there who simply should never be allowed to be parents again.  I think those who physically or sexually abuse their children should have their rights permanently taken away.  Why should they be able to have more children to abuse. 
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2011 at 12:32
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

But what about the torment the child will go through as he's growing up? I think it is child abuse and it is not a parent's right to do whatever they damn well please with their or to their children.  They are not a property interest. 

Of course, I'm against white supremacists being able to breed in the first place. 


Suppose you named your child "Cyrus Worthington Black."

Then, three weeks after the child was born, a man named "Cyrus Worthington" makes huge news by bombing fourteen Chicago buildings in the same day, killing an estimated 1,700 people.

Are you then guilty of child abuse for your child's name?



Not sure how that applies to Doc's position, Rob. It's not intentionally giving your child the name of a hugely controversial figure, which is obviously not OK.  


It applies: What I'm interested to know is vested in that qualifier you just used.  Is it the name itself that makes it child abuse, or is it the motivation of the parents?  If a couple who'd honestly never heard of Adolf Hitler named their child that, would that be child abuse?

Just participating in and exploring the topic.  Wink


Intention is almost always relevant to a criminal act.  Child abuse is no different.  For example, if I pick up my child and throw him to the ground - that's abuse.  If I pick up my child and while holding him/her lose my footing or balance and drop the child - the injuries may be the same, but there was no intent to harm the child and therefore, no abuse. 

In the extremely unlikely event that someone had never heard of Hitler, but named their child Adolph Hitler, no it would not be abuse.  Simply ignorance. 
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2011 at 14:32
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I honestly think it's awful when parents give their child a perfectly normal name with an ridiculous spelling.  That individual will have to spell out his or her name every time.

Also, one of my students is named Garnea.  It is pronounced "Zhuh-nay."  Wacko
 
 
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