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The T

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Posted: October 19 2011 at 19:38

^I'm pretty sure there is absolutely nothing better for coughs and headaches... Tongue

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Posted: October 19 2011 at 19:40

Damn. I'm fighting off bronchitis right now. Hence my day off work and ability to argue all damn day. These antibiotics suck. I need some heroin I guess.

I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?

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Posted: October 19 2011 at 19:41

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The Doctor, I am pretty sure you have no idea what you are talking about with regard to tax law.

If you are unwilling to actually perform the work at the given salary you should not have accepted the job.

You probably should not have stated that...unless u think he is lying about his education of previous posts....

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Posted: October 19 2011 at 19:42

Catcher10 wrote:

Henry Plainview wrote:

The Doctor, I am pretty sure you have no idea what you are talking about with regard to tax law.

If you are unwilling to actually perform the work at the given salary you should not have accepted the job.

You probably should not have stated that...unless u think he is lying about his education of previous posts....

I believe he was unaware of my qualifications.

Just to remove doubt as to my knowledge on the subject, this is from the IRS website.

Consequences of Treating an Employee as an Independent Contractor
If you classify an employee as an independent contractor and you have no reasonable basis for doing so, you may be held liable for employment taxes for that worker (the relief provisions, discussed below, will not apply). See Internal Revenue Code section 3509 for more information.

Facts that provide evidence of the degree of control and independence fall into three categories:

Behavioral: Does the company control or have the right to control what the worker does and how the worker does his or her job?
Financial: Are the business aspects of the worker’s job controlled by the payer? (these include things like how worker is paid, whether expenses are reimbursed, who provides tools/supplies, etc.)
Type of Relationship: Are there written contracts or employee type benefits (i.e. pension plan, insurance, vacation pay, etc.)? Will the relationship continue and is the work performed a key aspect of the business?

Edited by The Doctor - October 19 2011 at 19:54

I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?

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Posted: October 19 2011 at 19:44

The Doctor wrote:

Catcher10 wrote:

Henry Plainview wrote:

The Doctor, I am pretty sure you have no idea what you are talking about with regard to tax law.

If you are unwilling to actually perform the work at the given salary you should not have accepted the job.

You probably should not have stated that...unless u think he is lying about his education of previous posts....

I believe he was unaware of my qualifications.

I believe he has not been reading....

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Posted: October 19 2011 at 19:52

We have dropped that argument, why are you continuing it?

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I need some heroin I guess.

It's pretty great.

if you own a sodastream i hate you

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Posted: October 19 2011 at 19:54

Man, you all are way too certain of yourselves. Anyone who espouses ideology with this kinda certainty, you can be sure they're wrong. True wisdom concedes to uncertainty.

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Posted: October 19 2011 at 19:55

Deathrabbit wrote:

Man, you all are way too certain of yourselves. Anyone who espouses ideology with this kinda certainty, you can be sure they're wrong. True wisdom concedes to uncertainty.

Alright, I should have said I'm reasonably confident that heroin is the best thing ever.

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Posted: October 19 2011 at 19:55

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Man, you all are way too certain of yourselves. Anyone who espouses ideology with this kinda certainty, you can be sure they're wrong. True wisdom concedes to uncertainty.

You are absolutely, positively, 100% incorrect. Tongue

I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?

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Posted: October 19 2011 at 19:59

Even in a society without war, without hunger, without prejudice, without economic strife, without crime, and without disparate social class, folks would still commit suicide, hate their lives, do hardcore drugs (or any available equivalent), psychologically abuse their children indirectly, suffer from clinical depression, and die. They'd still get hit by cars or by lightning. They'd still suffer from diseases, from psychological disorders, and from accidental deaths. There'd still be panic attacks and paranoia, mass fears and children with taut, distraught faces.

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Posted: October 19 2011 at 20:00

Deathrabbit wrote:

Man, you all are way too certain of yourselves. Anyone who espouses ideology with this kinda certainty, you can be sure they're wrong. True wisdom concedes to uncertainty.

I don't know what this means?

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Posted: October 19 2011 at 20:00

thellama73 wrote:

Deathrabbit wrote:

Man, you all are way too certain of yourselves. Anyone who espouses ideology with this kinda certainty, you can be sure they're wrong. True wisdom concedes to uncertainty.

Alright, I should have said I'm reasonably confident that heroin is the best thing ever.

I think old fashioned nicotine is pretty awesome myself. If you've ever smoked Egyptian shisha in a hookah, you know what I'm talking about. For extra lulz, pour whiskey in the water :)

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Posted: October 19 2011 at 20:01

Deathrabbit wrote:

Man, you all are way too certain of yourselves. Anyone who espouses ideology with this kinda certainty, you can be sure they're wrong. True wisdom concedes to uncertainty.

You seem awfully certain of that, so I'm going to assume your argument is wrong.

"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "

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Posted: October 19 2011 at 20:02

Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Deathrabbit wrote:

Man, you all are way too certain of yourselves. Anyone who espouses ideology with this kinda certainty, you can be sure they're wrong. True wisdom concedes to uncertainty.

You seem awfully certain of that, so I'm going to assume your argument is wrong.

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Posted: October 19 2011 at 20:05

Catcher10 wrote:

Deathrabbit wrote:

Man, you all are way too certain of yourselves. Anyone who espouses ideology with this kinda certainty, you can be sure they're wrong. True wisdom concedes to uncertainty.

I don't know what this means?

It's a pretty well documented psychological phenomenon that knowledge brings about uncertainty rather than certainty.

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Posted: October 19 2011 at 20:15

^ 10-4.......I slept thru all my psych classes.....epic failure......I guess

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Posted: October 19 2011 at 20:15

That's true, but you really overstated it.

"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "

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Posted: October 19 2011 at 20:36

Maybe so, but I still prefer the old proverb "Lord, save me from people who think they're right." LOL

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Posted: October 19 2011 at 21:06

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Tell me good Slarti, what is the plan? Do Occupy-ers want the president to send the army to control the banks, seize assests and give it to the people? Do they have any actual proposal? One might agree with some of their complaints, but they have been at it more than, what, 2 weeks now? Has anything been accomplished? What was supposed to be accomplished? I'm confused...

I don't think so, but that sounds like a great idea Teo.

Nice. So you advocate fascism. Of a different kind. The one called communism. I really hope those in charge of "redistributing" the assets are as pure and honest as they need to be and so good and far-from-power-hungry so they don't do anything else besides "just" stealing money.

I'm really scared if this Occupy movement ever becomes an actual party and ever achieves power.

I'd be happy if some of the injustices they talk about cease to exist though, but they wanting more government to make that happen assures me it will not happen.

I advocate socialism, not communism. Socialism is the best guarantee of a democratic system, where all members of society have the opportunity to influence government agencies. What we have now is a plutocracy where only a few are truly able to influence government.

As for you being really scared of the occupy movement, now you know how I feel about the Tea Party movement, although they have gained some power, and we inch ever closer to real fascism. I think the best thing that could happen to this country is for the occupy movement to gain power, at the very least as an offset to the right-wing fascists who are currently attempting to take over our government for the benefit of our wealthy aristocracy.

You guys managed to fill 9 pages since I left this afternoon? Yeesh.

Anyway, this was the first silly post I saw (since the time I left) and I didn't really bother to see if anyone corrected him so I will anyway.

A democratic system is not something to strive for. Democracy is tyranny of the majority. All members of society should not only not influence government agencies they shouldn't need to. Government agencies should have no say over how you live your life therefore insuring that your "movements" (both right-wing and left-wing) would have no power to force others to live however they see fit. Tyranny of the majority or minority are both to be avoided.

Be careful, as well, because your true colors blare through in your last sentence. You've tip-toed around fully declaring your desire for left-wing facism but at the end of your above statement you out-right call the movement you endorse as the opposite of what you see as right-wing fascism. Fascism/authoritarianism is still fascism/authoritarianism whether you like the ideas currently being forced onto others or not. There is liberty on one end of the true political spectrum and totalitarianism on the other. The liberal to conservative spectrum that you see yourself as part of is just a parlor game to keep people in the group mentality. The money behind occupy is basically the same as the money behind the tea party. Soros, the Koch brothers, labor union leaders: all just puppet masters pulling strings to reach their own goals at our expense.

Time always wins.

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Posted: October 19 2011 at 21:19

The Doctor wrote:

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I think we should raise the minimum wage to 1000$ an hour (that way everybody is rich) and we put a maximim wage at 1001$ an hour. Therefore, I propose government decrees that we should all earn the same. Yes, this will certainly solve all problems.

Did I say that? Did I even imply that? No. I didn't. But there should be a minimum wage that people can actually live on. And there should be a maximum of something. No one, but no one needs to nor deserves to make multi-million dollar salaries, especially when they make that salary at the expense of their employees (by paying low wages and by shipping jobs overseas).

Just catching up still but do you really have an economics degree? If so that is a sorry statement for the schools you attend because it doesn't seem that you have a basic concept of how markets function. Maybe you missed the day they covered inflation... You know what, I'm just writing you off as a truely awful human being and moving on.

Time always wins.