"Occupy" Protests

I'm sure about one thing. I'm not sure. 

The Doctor wrote: Most employees are underpaid anyway, so farting around on the internet, chatting with friends, taking smoke breaks is their due.

The Doctor wrote: If they are supervising you, then they should not treat you as an IC.  That could come back to bite them in the butt.  Especially if you get p.o.ed at them and turn them in to the IRS.  If a company did that to me, I sure would when I left.  Most employees are underpaid anyway, so farting around on the internet, chatting with friends, taking smoke breaks is their due.

"treat me as an IC?" 

I was glad to be an IC.    You say that like it's a nasty thing.  If I hire an IC, I am his supervisor because I am paying him.  I have to make sure his work is satisfactory.

And you don't know most employees, so you can't say that they are underpaid; furthermore, you are insinuating that they are too stupid to negotiate a better salary or too unskilled to find a better salary elsewhere.  I find this rather insulting.

The T wrote: The Doctor wrote: Most employees are underpaid anyway, so farting around on the internet, chatting with friends, taking smoke breaks is their due.   Nice. Your dreamed society would be so totally unproductive that in 3 months everybody would be starving...

My dreamed of society I would put equivalent to a style of Scandinavian socialism.  And those countries have the highest standard of living.  No one is starving there, unless they really choose to.  And as for why I don't just move there (I'll preempt the question), it's because they don't want my American a** there.  They're quite happy without droves of Americans moving there, so I guess I just have to fight for what I want right here. 

Epignosis wrote: The Doctor wrote: If they are supervising you, then they should not treat you as an IC.  That could come back to bite them in the butt.  Especially if you get p.o.ed at them and turn them in to the IRS.  If a company did that to me, I sure would when I left.  Most employees are underpaid anyway, so farting around on the internet, chatting with friends, taking smoke breaks is their due.   "treat me as an IC?"  I was glad to be an IC.    You say that like it's a nasty thing.  If I hire an IC, I am his supervisor because I am paying him.  I have to make sure his work is satisfactory. And you don't know most employees, so you can't say that they are underpaid; furthermore, you are insinuating that they are too stupid to negotiate a better salary or too unskilled to find a better salary elsewhere.  I find this rather insulting.

No I am insinuating that they have no power to negotiate a better salary. 

Henry Plainview wrote: The Doctor, I am pretty sure you have no idea what you are talking about with regard to tax law. If you are unwilling to actually perform the work at the given salary you should not have accepted the job.

I studied law and in particular tax law.  So again, your style of freedom is "accept whatever is on offer or starve".  That is the choice for most people. 

Well what you are saying seems wrong from what I know, but I am not an expert so okay.

I would say that it is a matter of personal integrity to not feel entitled to not do work on the clock.

The Doctor wrote: My dreamed of society I would put equivalent to a style of Scandinavian socialism.  And those countries have the highest standard of living.  No one is starving there, unless they really choose to.

They also have quite a lot of oil to fund it.

Any Colour You Like wrote: The T wrote: Any Colour You Like wrote: I'm sure about one thing. I'm not sure.  Are you (all) sure?  You are not sure. That's for sure.  On a more serious note. Having tried to observe the logic of this argument from afar. I can wholeheartedly conclude that this argument has neither merit or a clear logic. Enjoy your discussion, I am going to look at a tree.

And that makes you the smartest one here. 

Okay, The Doctor. Since you believe that a job and a living wage are every American's right, and if someone doesn't offer you one, you are being oppressed, then I demand that you give me a job and pay me a living wage! If you fail to do so, you are fascist and oppressor according to your own standards. I should add that I am lazy and have no skills of any value, but that doesn't matter because that job is my right!

I will be eagerly awaiting your job offer.

Henry Plainview wrote: Yeah, well being so close to oil production helps, and it's also easier for them to have hydropower and other renewable energy because of their geography as I recall. thellama73 wrote: Okay, The Doctor. Since you believe that a job and a living wage are every American's right, and if someone doesn't offer you one, you are being oppressed, then I demand that you give me a job and pay me a living wage! If you fail to do so, you are fascist and oppressor according to your own standards. I should add that I am lazy and have no skills of any value, but that doesn't matter because that job is my right! I will be eagerly awaiting your job offer. You surely have slain that strawman.

Not in the least.  I'm not one of the wealthy aristocracy.  I have neither the job nor the funds to pay you with.  I'm another one of the victims of this society, not one of the ruling class.  Go get a job from them.