Author

Topic Search

Topic Options

Atavachron View Drop Down

Special Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: September 30 2006
Location: Pearland
Status: Online
Points: 65258

Posted: October 06 2011 at 21:00

^ I think in ways they were better than the 60s, though I'm too young to remember anything much before '69

Chris S

Special Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: June 09 2004
Location: Front Range
Status: Offline
Points: 7028

Posted: October 06 2011 at 21:33

jammun wrote:

Pot haze, hiking through the back woods of Wyoming. Yellowstone. The Tetons. Those were great times, camped out along the Snake River listening to Mahavishnu. I don't know how I made it through those times in one piece. Maybe I didn't.

<font color=Brown>Music - The Sound Librarian

...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR]

TODDLER

Forum Senior Member

VIP Member

Joined: August 28 2009
Location: Vineland, N.J.
Status: Offline
Points: 3126

Posted: October 13 2011 at 14:21

Some of my childhood friends were kept out of public schools by the 3rd generation Watchtower Society. Later in life they escaped with nothing but the clothes on their back. As I recall 5 of my teenage friends were institutionalized in a psychiatric hospital shortly after the Satan cult killing of a young man who used to tutor us in school. During this time one of the Watchtower leaders was circulating the act of prostitution with young teenage girls in our town....as also described by Teal Scott on the youtube vid.How could witchcraft, Satan worship, and Watchtower Society all gather seperately in the same town? Some of my friends have recovered from cult abuse and over the years I have conversed with them. They basically give off a vibe like Teal Scott when discussing their past with me. I think it is wonderful that they were able to move on in life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YseLiA41aQ

moshkito

Forum Senior Member

Joined: January 04 2007
Location: Grok City
Status: Offline
Points: 17511

Posted: October 13 2011 at 16:29

colorofmoney91 wrote:

The '70s sound awesome.

The 60's were better and more adventurous and you still had Dr. Martin Luther King Jr to march with and have something incommon with ... the 70's kinda went south in the California area with the "coolness" of the "greed is good" generation that thought that movie was so cool. The movie was just showing how screwed up things are, and in the end, it gets everyone appreciating the opposite.

It's sooooo advertising! ... It's sooooo Hollywood! ... and everyone thinks it's cool because everyone is afraid to not be "with it" with all their friends and (heaven forbid!!!!!) the very media that is advertising their own product!

Think about it ... the day that both Led Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones got 100 million each, was the day that almost all of these bands "died" and the money spent on releasing anyone else's work stopped. The UA /WEA distribution conglomerate, overnight, dropped more than 400 bands from their lists ... it became strictly a top tenm society ... and we allowed it to happen!

By the mid 70's, people were already "institutionalized" (my word for it) and they were caught up in the "scene" ... and when "Saturday Night Fever" came around, you knew you were hooked and another music scene took over ... it wasn't even about the hit anymore, because the movie and the advertising made sure it was sold and made big money ... so everyone would think it was magnificent and really good. Today, the example is Harry Potter and some other Hollywood glitz or some overhyped tv thing or two.

And the one that got me to stop and grow up ... faster than anything ... was one man saying ... "let'em get stoned and I will win all the elections!" ... and if that is not a wake up call as to how screwed up and asleep we had become, I don't know what is!

How about this one ... when I was at UCSB, the "in-thing" was (1) coke) and (2) screw a butt, and it did not matter whose it was! (3) Be bisexual or at least experienced the other side. And it was considered all fun! And I know a lot of folks that did not enjoy it and got damaged from it ... but ... nooooo ... they stuck with their social grouping and doing ... and I'm not sure you can have enough aesthetics to go appreciate "progressive" music ... since the main thrust of the first "progressive" albums were all quite "anti-social" moroseness and lack of understanding and knowledge! ... but that means you will have to listen to the lyrics/poetry a little more?

I didn't dislike the 70's ... but I can tell you that I got seriously grounded into the "arts" then, and I think that in the end, I was rejecting the commercialism of it all and the blatant corruption surrounding that commercialist and what some of those people represented. Thus you can tell why I do not speak about so many famous names and bands inthose days ... !!! they were the representatives of that greed and time and its ugliest and seedy'est part!

Edited by moshkito - October 14 2011 at 19:13

Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
www.pedrosena.com

presdoug

Forum Senior Member

Joined: January 24 2010
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 8615

Posted: October 13 2011 at 16:56

people or groups or whatever could be just as "me me me" and greedy in the 60s as they were in the 70s

Knobby

Forum Senior Member

Joined: May 31 2013
Location: Ontario
Status: Offline
Points: 490

Posted: June 30 2013 at 17:28

60s were dire, 70's moreso.

No one recognized Yours Truely as a Pwog Masterman.

The.Crimson.King View Drop Down

Forum Senior Member

Joined: March 29 2013
Location: WA
Status: Offline
Points: 4596

Posted: July 06 2013 at 01:03

Here's one of the main things I remember about music in the 60's and 70's...radio...

In the 60's AM radio was king, and back then "Top 40" was what AM played. That may sound horrific by todays definition, but in the late 60's a Top 40 AM station would regularly play The Beatles, Stones, Who, Procol Harum, Al Green, The Temptations, Grateful Dead, Bob Dylan, Sly and the Family Stone, The Byrds, Santana, Ray Charles, Jefferson Airplane, Elvis, Simon & Garfunkel, Jimi, The Doors, etc. I remember when The Beatles 'White Album' came out. The entire weekend, my local AM station KLIV only played songs from the White Album...nothing else. It was truly a unique time in popular music. Rock wasn't compartmentalized into little buckets and no one had yet invented "crossover" artists. If it was good, it made it to top 40 and AM radio played it.

In the 70's rock went underground and radio became specialized. FM radio emerged. K101 was one of the 1st San Francisco FM stations and you began hearing more adventurous music like Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, Queen, Led Zep, ELP, David Bowie,etc...what they began calling Album Oriented Rock (AOR). You began to hear long extended cuts rather than the chopped up 2:30 AM staples. You'd still hear 60's rock acts like The Beatles, Doors, and Jimi...but they would no longer be mixed with Motown, soul, folk, or R&B as in the AM days. Love 'em or hate 'em, Rolling Stone magazine had a huge influence on what music was considered "cool" in this new world (their full-on hatred of prog helped keep our beloved music far from the airwaves - with the exception of breakthrough hits like "Living in the Past", "Lucky Man", "Money" or "Roundabout".) FM also began doing things AM would never have dreamed of, playing live concert simulcasts. Christmas night 1976 a local FM station actually played an entire Genesis "Trick of the Tail" tour show. I proudly recorded it on the Radio Shack 8-track recorder I received as a present that day! Unfortunately, the tape is long gone. I also recall the weekend "Going for the One" was released, a local FM station played the whole album late that Friday night...cool...

Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987

stegor

Forum Senior Member

Joined: March 23 2013
Location: Minnesota
Status: Offline
Points: 2029

Posted: July 06 2013 at 22:15

^^^I also remember a Trick of the Tail broadcast in 1976. Might have been a "King Bisquit Flour Hour" show but I'm not sure. I also recorded it as broadcast here in Minnesota. My tape is also long gone. At the time I was pretty new to Genesis and it was my first exposure to them. I remember hearing they had recently lost their vocalist, a guy who liked to wear costumes. That was all I knew of them. I was into Yes and I heard they were similar. I didn't like them instantly but it didn't take too long.

FM radio was great back then. I remember hearing all sorts of Prog on the radio, very briefly, between 1975 when I became aware of it and 1978 when it all went commercial.

The.Crimson.King View Drop Down

Forum Senior Member

Joined: March 29 2013
Location: WA
Status: Offline
Points: 4596

Posted: July 06 2013 at 22:47

Ya, I was into Yes before Genesis too. I bought 'Trick of the Tail' when it came out off a friend of a friend for $2...I liked "Dance on a Volcano" straight away but thought the rest was just ok. Then I bought Nursery Cryme next and life was good Wink

Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987

moshkito

Forum Senior Member

Joined: January 04 2007
Location: Grok City
Status: Offline
Points: 17511

Posted: July 07 2013 at 15:44

Kashmir75 wrote:

I wasn't born yet but the impression I get is that music was not so cliquey back then. You had ELP, Sabbath, Tull, Lynyrd Skynyrd, and Deep Purple playing at the same festivals. Hell, Tony Iommi was even in Jethro Tull for a brief time. I just get the idea people were more open about experimentation and creativity in music. These days it's all about factions and labels.

...

The problem is that this is like saying that commerciality is not any less/more cliquey ... and you know it. All you have to do is look at the "favorites" and top ten, almost all being so cliquey, as to watch us all in Hollywood looking to throw kisses to all our favorite looking _____________________________________________!!!

Music is no more cliquey, than anything else you and I know ... but the question is, how different and "uncliduey" do you want to be in order to find out what is inside? Most think that if they stick with the clique that they will learn it all ... so go ahead ... perfect road to dis-illusion, because somewhere along the way, you have to "leave" the group, in order to find who you are!

What you are not seeing is how different, and how separated so many of these folks were from the social norm, and how many of them were hoping for things to improve!

Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
www.pedrosena.com

logoman

Forum Newbie

Joined: February 16 2010
Location: Cornwall
Status: Offline
Points: 24

Posted: July 07 2013 at 15:52

1970. Hardware shop selling albums at the back of the store. Ignorant 14 year old stumbles on this treasure trove of "contemporary music".
Life changing. Prog creeps into the blood. Vinyl albums offer multiple experiences.Sight,sound and even the smell of said vinyl. The artwork, gatefold sleeves, lyric sheets, music to challenge your mind,a whole world to be explored.
Now its all clinical. Too easy to access. No saving up hard cash for the next album experience. All readily found in a click.
This is more than an old git bemoaning times past it's a fundamental absence of much that made music exploration a pleasure.

The.Crimson.King View Drop Down

Forum Senior Member

Joined: March 29 2013
Location: WA
Status: Offline
Points: 4596

Posted: July 07 2013 at 15:59

...

This was certainly true in the character of 60's AM radio. It was not uncommon to hear The Beatles, Stones, The Temptations, The Who, Stevie Wonder, Santana, Ray Charles, Bob Dylan, and Procol Harum all in the same hour Thumbs Up

Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987

Svetonio

Forum Senior Member

Joined: September 20 2010
Location: Serbia
Status: Offline
Points: 10213

Posted: July 08 2013 at 00:06

I am 50 and I remember that time went slower than it is today and LPs have lasted "longer" that we rarely were listening to a LP in its entirety - a 10 minutes long sympho-rock ( the term which we widely used in 70s Tito's Yugoslavia for the bands like Yes, KC, Genesis, Jethro Tull and ELP) track was real epic; a 2 hours long gig seemed as an endless perfomance.

Oh yes, we have that pleasure while we picking great LP in a record stores on an album jacket basis. Because of Hypnosis group, Roger Dean, Abdul Matti Klarwein ..., - to name a few, the album jackets were amazing masterpieces of graphic design and an important part of the journey trough the Space of 70s music.

AtomicCrimsonRush View Drop Down

Special Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: July 02 2008
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 14258

Posted: July 08 2013 at 04:59

i began listening to Prog in the 1970s. I walked into a record store and walked out with Pink Floyd's Dark side of the Moon, then bought The Wall during College in 1980. I had been collecting rock records in the 70s such as Sweet, SUZI QUATRO, ALICE COOPER, The Runaways, GARY NUMAN and KISS. I had bought a Marillion album later but before then I had Aqualung and lots of Kraftwerk. A lot of these I had on cassette that bought in Indonesia dirt cheap.

I used to sit in my room upstairs and play these records all day till it drove my parents wacko. i remember putting on a Tom T Hall just to please dad and he came upstairs and said "it's great that you are listening to decent music for a change instead of all that Yah Yah Yah!" The Yah Yah Yah was probably The Sweet or Quatro that were prone to lots of yelling. I borrowed prog from the library such as KC ITCOTCK and some 70s Yes. After hearing Works by ELP I gave up on them - but returned after hearing their debut which I loved esp Take a Pebble that I learnt by heart and often was found singing at the table.

On the radio were some odd proggish gems such as Bungle in the Jungle by Tull, that i used to hum, and many times I heard PF's Money and ABITWpart2. The 70s soon dies out and after college it was the dreaded 80s and i forgot prog altogether and got heavily into Ultravox, Visage and Yes... well it was the 80s Yes at this stage. Genesis I avoided in the 80s but I stuck with Pink Floyd and Marillion. I watched The Wall at the Drive In even tho i couldnt drive - I just walked in! Soon after I bought the illustrated book and memorised every song, even the narrative parts. I was always into unusual music such as The Residents - watching Commercial movie segment on TV changed my life.

dr wu23

Forum Senior Member

Joined: August 22 2010
Location: Indiana
Status: Offline
Points: 20623

Posted: July 08 2013 at 13:38

What was it like in the 60's and 70's?

I can't remember much .....must have been having too much fun.

One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
Haquin

presdoug

Forum Senior Member

Joined: January 24 2010
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 8615

Posted: July 09 2013 at 08:30

^If you can remember the 60s, you weren't in the sixties.

Dean

Special Collaborator

Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout

Joined: May 13 2007
Location: Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 37575

Posted: July 09 2013 at 09:39

If you can't remember what you had for dinner yesterday you are in the sixties.

What?

The.Crimson.King View Drop Down

Forum Senior Member

Joined: March 29 2013
Location: WA
Status: Offline
Points: 4596

Posted: July 09 2013 at 12:33

dr wu23 wrote:

What was it like in the 60's and 70's?

I can't remember much .....must have been having too much fun.

I don't remember the 60's as being a whole lot of fun, I remember my older male cousins freaking that they'd receive a draft notice any day and be sent to the meat grinder that was Viet Nam. Throw in the assassinations of John & Bobby Kennedy and MLK, serial killers like Zodiak and the Manson family & Nixon in the white house...it's no wonder people went with the "Tune in, Turn on, Drop out" thing and headed to Golden Gate Park to trip with The Dead. At least the music was great Wink

Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987

Prog_Traveller View Drop Down

Forum Senior Member