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Ivan_Melgar_M
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In 1971, Santana was going to play in the Communist San Marcos University, they sold 100,000 tickets, according to my older friends (I was 6 or 7) everything was prepared for a mega show.
But in 1968 a Nationalist and Communist Military Juan Velazco Alvarado had taken the government by the force,. the dictator qualified Santana as an "Imperialist Hippie" so he didn't even allowed Santana to get off the plane and was returned without even touching Peruvian floor. When the fuc*ing ignorant discovered that Carlos Santana was not a "dirty Yankee Imperialist" (Sarcasm), but a Mexican musician born in Jalisco - Mexico, invented the story that Carlos urinated in the plane's wheel and that the airplane was full of drugs (The baggage never left the plane). I don't know what happened with the money, but some people I know, never received it back....We could only see Santana 25 years later with a Government elected by the votes (Later Fujimori turned to a dictator also). Iván
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ClemofNazareth
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Paul Simon visited Bob Dylan's Greenwich Village home in the late sixties and years later admitted he stole handwritten drafts of several of Dylan's songs while he was there.
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"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
Albert Camus |
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Gerinski
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Just a prog-related obscure footnote to my previous post about the Lluis Llach song with ITCOTKC sequence of notes.
Llach himself plays piano and guitar, but in this track Viatge A Itaca he was supported on the arrangements and keyboards by keyboardist Manel Camp from the acclaimed prog-fusion band Fusioon.
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ghost_of_morphy
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presdoug
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Sometimes German prog band Triumvirat would feature music they had written into their live set a while before it would ever be recorded onto one of their studio albums
In early 1972, they featured live a partial section of what would later comprise the "Mister Ten Percent" suite recorded onto their album "Illusions On A Double Dimple" released in 1974. In this truncated version of about one third of the music in the subsequent suite, the lyrics were a bit different as well, with the taxman a little less greedy! "Hands off, Mister Five Percent! We've got a gig tonight, hah ,hah!.......... "At first you took five, tomorrow, it's ten, The more we get, the more you want" also, in 1974, they featured as an opener at the Academy Of Music in New York, an instrumental track that would later be recorded onto the 1975 album Spartacus called "The Burning Sword Of Capua" Edited by presdoug - September 12 2011 at 09:59 |
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sturoc
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I think a lot of groups played their new material live before recording it
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presdoug
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I am not trying to say that groups playing material live before recording it is an unknown or obscure trait it is the details i have stated regarding Triumvirat's doing that that are definitely obscure facts Edited by presdoug - September 11 2011 at 10:43 |
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ghost_of_morphy
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Edited by ghost_of_morphy - September 12 2011 at 12:10 |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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One of the first Focus Hits called Sylvia, was written by Thijs Van Leer before he created Focus: When he was young, he sung for a couple of Dutch crooners, where he made chorus with two girls and a guy. Each night, the crooners allowed the chorus members to sing one song, but one of the girls called Sylvia had a theme Thijs found poor, so he wrote a song for her called "I Thought I Could Do Everything On My Own, I Was Always Stripping The Town Alone," but when he played the song,". Sylvia hated it. Years after, he took the old theme, deleted the lyrics, changed the name to Sylvia, and it was a world hit. Iván
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ClemofNazareth
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Adlington was also an American, as was Anne-Marie ("Binky") Cullom, who was the band's female singer after Relf left and before Haslam joined in 1971.
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"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
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ghost_of_morphy
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Wow. Renaissance has hired different singers nearly as often as Yes has hired that Wakeman guy.
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Cactus Choir
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Some of the music for Pirates by ELP was written for a film version of Frederick Forsyth's Dogs of War novel about mercenaries. When this fell through Keith Emerson was left with the music he'd written which he then presented to Greg Lake to add some lyrics. Lake decided he wanted to write about pirates rather than mercenaries and enlisted former King Crimson pal Pete Sinfield to help with researching the nautical terms.
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"And now...on the drums...Mick Underwooooooooood!!!"
"He's up the pub" |
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verslibre
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Hendrix. And The Monkees...on one stage? The same night?! Okay, that beats the Deep Purple-Christopher Cross connection, by far!
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verslibre
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Interesting. Schulze has released everything else from his vaults, I presume. Maybe the tapes got lost. A cool concept, Schulze/Fritz. Reminds of Vangelis/Neuronium and their collaboration, which I thought was very good.
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desistindo
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Errata Corrige recorded an albun in a restaurant, but im not sure if this is a obscure fact.
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Gerinski
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Observant proggers familiar with the albums by the great spanish fusion band Iceberg may have noticed an odd fact: depending on the album and its edition the family name of guitarist Joaquim ‘Max’ Sunyer is sometimes spelled as ‘Suñé’ (with that quirky Spanish character ‘ñ’, pronounced ‘ny’ similar as in the English word ‘canyon’, with an accent on the ‘e’ and no ‘r’ in the end) and sometimes as ‘Sunyer’ (with ‘ny’, no accent and an ‘r’ at the end).
Typing mistakes you might think? Far from it, these are telling vestiges of the peculiar political situation of 1970’s Spain.
Max’s family name is catalan, and its catalan spelling is Sunyer. In catalan pronunciation the ‘ny’ has the same sound as the Spanish (castilian) ‘ñ’, and the last ‘r’ is mute (and no accent is applicable in order to have the emphasis on the last syllable).
The dictator Franco persecuted and prohibited everything related to the catalan language and culture, to the point that his administration changed the names (family or first) which sounded ‘too catalan’ and re-inscribed them in the official registers with castilian spelling. So during Franco’s time Max’s family saw their official name changed to Suñé which is the castilian spelling for the same phonetic pronunciation.
Incidentally I myself suffered this crazy policy. My parents gave me the first name Gerard which is catalan, but it was forbidden with this spelling so officially they had to register me with the castilian version ‘Gerardo’. In our private lives most of us were using our catalan names but for official purposes we had to use the castilian ones.
A few years after Franco’s death in November ’75 the new democratic government approved a law by which those who had had their names changed during the dictatorship could apply for recovering their original names. I myself applied and since then my official name is Gerard.
Iceberg’s albums were released between 1975 and 1979, and this was a time of much confusion, the so-called ‘transition’. Even with Franco dead, many public officers were still of his “old guard” and the public administration began to consist of a weird mix of old fascists and new fresh democrats. Depending on which one did you get across you might be lucky and get a tolerant democrat or unlucky with an embittered fascist still trying to impose censorship, you never knew. Some would accept you to use your catalan name in non-official purposes (the possibility for changing your official name would still take some years) and others would not.
This is why we actually find a mix of both spellings for Max’s family name in Iceberg’s cover sleeves. Edited by Gerinski - October 10 2011 at 11:16 |
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Luca Pacchiarini
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Very interesting, good post.
I'd already read about this changing of names, but never actually heard about a real case.
I imagine the same happened with the basque or gallego names? |
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Gerinski
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Well, a first thing is that unlike catalan, both basque and gallego share the same phonetic transcription as castilian (or castellano as we call it) so there was little if anything to be changed in this respect. Spelling and pronounciation rules are the same as in castellano.
A second thing is that Franco was gallego (from El Ferrol) so even if he also tried to convert Galicia to using castellano he was always protective of this region and did not harrass them as he did with basques and catalans.
On the other hand, basque has very weird, completely alien sounding names which have nothing to do with castilian names (or with any latin language for what matters). With no spelling to be changed and no translation possible, he did not dare to change radically the family names of the basque people, that would have been too weird, but what he did is forbidding all the basque traditional first names. So for example you could not name your child Gorka, you had to name him something like Pedro, Juan or Jose.
Eventually after the transition Basque people also got the chance to apply for changing their first names to basque names, but in the basque case it was not about a simple translation, the chosen basque name probably had nothing to do with the castilian one.
Besides people's names he also changed the name of cities, towns, streets, mountains, rivers, whatever, to make them sound more castilian, mostly in Catalunya but also in the basque country, for example the basque cities of Donosti and Gasteiz were renamed respectively as San Sebastian and Vitoria (as you see not a simple translation like from Gerard to Gerardo), and actually many people and quite a few maps still use these castilian names, I guess with places people are less sensitive than with their own names so even if the official names are now again the basques, you can still frequently hear the castilian ones (by the way this can be very confusing for tourists! )
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harmonium.ro
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Fascinating stuff, Gerard.
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Jake Kobrin
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I'm not sure how obscure any of these are:
While Pink Floyd was in the studio recording Pipers at the Gates of Dawn, The Beatles were in the same studio recording Sgt Pepper. The Beatles asked The Floyd to watch them (and possibly help them) record Lovely Rita. There's also a rumor that you can hear parts of Lovely Rita on Pow R Ad Hoc but I am quite certain that is ONLY a rumor. Not quite prog but mellotron related at least. The first hit single to ever include mellotron on it was Manfred Mann's Semi-Detached, Suburban Mr.James in 1966.
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