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Man With Hat 
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 Posted: September 16 2011 at 00:13 |
Twelfth Night - Fact And Fiction
The Puppet Show - The Tale Of Woe
I also support the Fish era Marillion (first four albums mentioned by Girensky), IQ, and Arena suggestions.
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I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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JJLehto
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Posted: September 16 2011 at 00:29 |
 stonebeard wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Surprised there aren't more comments saying how neo prog is terrible but giving no real reason why.
Not sure what this genre really is but I've heard an album by that band Pendragon and it didn't seem too bad.
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I like these threads because it shows me whose opinions never to take seriously because they can't keep from sh*tting up the forum. |
If you mean me specifically chillax I'm 100% serious, I jut don't know what it is. What makes it anything special? (From prog rock in general). I want to know. Admittedly I never bothered with neo prog because there's already so many genres and bands and I wanted to explore things outside rock in general. But yeah, no one has told me why it "sucks" At best, apparently neo prog band is a Genesis rip off but that sounds like silly BS to me.
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richardh
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Posted: September 16 2011 at 01:43 |
jean-marie wrote:
Hey you Prog fellows, i'm amazed how about Marillion it's always Marillion aka Fish, i love both but what about Marillion aka Hogart? In fact i prefer the further albums, i mean about music |
I prefer Hogarth as a singer over Fish any day of the week. On that basis I bought every Marillion album up to and including The Strange Engine. But I just found that I wasn't listening to any of them apart from Seasons End. I havn't heard Marbles though (or anything after The Strange Engine). Should I give it a try?
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GoldenGod2112
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Joined: August 30 2011
Location: Tacoma, WA
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Posted: September 16 2011 at 11:52 |
I'm listening to Marillion's first album!
I like what I'm hearing so far.
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The future's uncertain and the end is always near. - Jim Morrison
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Roland113
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Posted: September 16 2011 at 12:24 |
Scott,
I don't know if you've tried this but here's my trick:
I set up a wishlist on Amazon for myself with everything I'd like to get. Amazon has a bunch of suppliers so stock and price is always changing. I just check my wish list every time I have money and see where the deals are, I usually wait until the listed price is under $10. This puts the total cost including shipping at $13.00 which is reasonable in my mind.
I did check, Contagion is still above the ten dollar mark, but as I said keep checking back. When something that you've been waiting on for a while suddenly becomes reasonably priced, it's a pleasant surprise.
Good luck,
Tom
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I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms.
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lazland
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Joined: October 28 2008
Location: Wales
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Posted: September 16 2011 at 12:58 |
richardh wrote:
jean-marie wrote:
Hey you Prog fellows, i'm amazed how about Marillion it's always Marillion aka Fish, i love both but what about Marillion aka Hogart? In fact i prefer the further albums, i mean about music |
I prefer Hogarth as a singer over Fish any day of the week. On that basis I bought every Marillion album up to and including The Strange Engine. But I just found that I wasn't listening to any of them apart from Seasons End. I havn't heard Marbles though (or anything after The Strange Engine). Should I give it a try? |
Marbles is a bonafide five star classic masterpiece. In fact, the greatest album ever recorded. Every home should have a copy. in fact, Cameron should enact legislation to that effect. 
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Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org
Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time!
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Snow Dog
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Joined: March 23 2005
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Posted: September 16 2011 at 13:04 |
stonebeard wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Surprised there aren't more comments saying how neo prog is terrible but giving no real reason why.
Not sure what this genre really is but I've heard an album by that band Pendragon and it didn't seem too bad.
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I like these threads because it shows me whose opinions never to take seriously because they can't keep from sh*tting up the forum. |
Sad but true.
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Gerinski
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Posted: September 16 2011 at 14:00 |
It's a good album if you like hard-edged Neo but do not overexpect IMO. Here it is rated higher than Inmortal? but personally I prefer Inmortal? and even more the Paul Wrightson era mostly The Visitor and Pride, I think these are their best 2 albums.
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JS19
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Posted: September 16 2011 at 14:07 |
I would say:
Not Of This World - Pendragon The Masquerade Overture - Pendragon Contagion - Arena IQ - Frequency A Different Man - Knight Area Posthumous Silence - Sylvan (especially this one) Misplaced Childhood - Marillion
Pretty typical list, but you can't really go wrong here :) Enjoy!
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richardh
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Posted: September 16 2011 at 15:47 |
lazland wrote:
richardh wrote:
jean-marie wrote:
Hey you Prog fellows, i'm amazed how about Marillion it's always Marillion aka Fish, i love both but what about Marillion aka Hogart? In fact i prefer the further albums, i mean about music |
I prefer Hogarth as a singer over Fish any day of the week. On that basis I bought every Marillion album up to and including The Strange Engine. But I just found that I wasn't listening to any of them apart from Seasons End. I havn't heard Marbles though (or anything after The Strange Engine). Should I give it a try? |
Marbles is a bonafide five star classic masterpiece. In fact, the greatest album ever recorded. Every home should have a copy. in fact, Cameron should enact legislation to that effect. |
Just had a listen to the samples on Amazon.Is it a 'seamless' recording? ie do the tracks melt into each other?
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voliveira
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Posted: September 16 2011 at 19:21 |
Pendragon-Pure
Arena-Contagion
Sylvan-Posthumous Silence
Marillion-Script for a Jester's Tears (in my opinion is not a masterpiece, but is responsible for defining the genre)
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"For where your treasure is, there your heart will be" Matthew 6:21
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Horizons
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Posted: September 16 2011 at 23:13 |
lazland wrote:
richardh wrote:
jean-marie wrote:
Hey you Prog fellows, i'm amazed how about Marillion it's always Marillion aka Fish, i love both but what about Marillion aka Hogart? In fact i prefer the further albums, i mean about music |
I prefer Hogarth as a singer over Fish any day of the week. On that basis I bought every Marillion album up to and including The Strange Engine. But I just found that I wasn't listening to any of them apart from Seasons End. I havn't heard Marbles though (or anything after The Strange Engine). Should I give it a try? |
Marbles is a bonafide five star classic masterpiece. In fact, the greatest album ever recorded. Every home should have a copy. in fact, Cameron should enact legislation to that effect. |
Woa there cupcake.
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Triceratopsoil
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Joined: April 03 2010
Location: Canada
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Points: 18016
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Posted: September 16 2011 at 23:16 |
stonebeard wrote:
Triceratopsoil wrote:
None of them.
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Another quality post. Add it to the pile. |
He asked my opinion, I gave it.
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The Neck Romancer
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Posted: September 16 2011 at 23:47 |
stonebeard wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Surprised there aren't more comments saying how neo prog is terrible but giving no real reason why.
Not sure what this genre really is but I've heard an album by that band Pendragon and it didn't seem too bad.
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I like these threads because it shows me whose opinions never to take seriously because they can't keep from sh*tting up the forum. |
It's not hard to sum up how the concept of neo-prog is weak. People may like it, but it is still a conceptually failed subgenre.
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E-Dub
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 00:07 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Triceratopsoil wrote:
None of them.
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Another quality post. Add it to the pile. |
He asked my opinion, I gave it.
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You did. Just not a very good one. Highly recommend: Marillion - Brave Marillion - Marbles Marillion - Afraid Of Sunlight Marillion - Seasons End Marillion - Misplaced Childhood Sylvan - Posthumous Silence IQ - Subterranea IQ - The Seventh House IQ - Dark Matter IQ - Frequency Pendragon - Pure Pendragon - Not Of This World Frost* - Milliontown Arena - The Visitor Arena - Immortal? Sean Filkins - War & Peace and Other Short Stories (could be symph) Kino - Picture It Bites - The Tall Ships Pallas - The Dreams Of Men In a pinch: Arena - Contagion Darwin's Radio - Template For A Generation Iluvatar - Children Galahad - Empires Never Last Mystery - One Among The Living Magic Of Pie - Circus Of Life Pallas - XXV Pallas - The Cross + The Crucible And I've tooted this horn until I'm about to pass out, but I prefer the Hogarth era of Marillion (surprise to those who know me, eh?). The 4 discs with Fish are brilliant, but what they did with Brave (and the subsequent AoS and Marbles) were far better <<key words alert>> in my opinion than anything with Fish. Hogarth brought a whole new dynamic to this band, and after seeing them twice at the past two conventions it's without a shadow of a doubt that he is the key figure of this band...and rightfully so. Despite what a fellow member tried to convince me a few years ago, Hogarth is a far superior singer. He has lost a lot of that once amazing voice, but he really brings it on stage. I've seen a lot of bands, but Marillion truly leave you breathless. E
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E-Dub
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 00:12 |
richardh wrote:
jean-marie wrote:
Hey you Prog fellows, i'm amazed how about Marillion it's always Marillion aka Fish, i love both but what about Marillion aka Hogart? In fact i prefer the further albums, i mean about music |
I prefer Hogarth as a singer over Fish any day of the week. On that basis I bought every Marillion album up to and including The Strange Engine. But I just found that I wasn't listening to any of them apart from Seasons End. I havn't heard Marbles though (or anything after The Strange Engine). Should I give it a try? |
Do yourself a favor and pick up the 2 disc version of Marbles. Madfish has just re-released it and you can get it over at marillion.com. Anoraknophobia is also worth your time, as is Happiness Is The Road. I do feel, however, that Essence works better as a whole than The Hard Shoulder. That said, the latter has "The Man From The Planet Marzipan" and the absolutely stunning "Real Tears For Sale", which is easily in my top 5 Marillion songs. It may also behoove you to pick up some live albums. The series from the '09 convention are amazing and I reach for them a lot. Popular Music is also very good, which quite possibly the best live version of "This Strange Engine" ever. E
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E-Dub
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 00:17 |
Polo wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Surprised there aren't more comments saying how neo prog is terrible but giving no real reason why.
Not sure what this genre really is but I've heard an album by that band Pendragon and it didn't seem too bad.
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I like these threads because it shows me whose opinions never to take seriously because they can't keep from sh*tting up the forum. |
It's not hard to sum up how the concept of neo-prog is weak. People may like it, but it is still a conceptually failed subgenre. |
Sorry, but this is rubbish. If you look at some of the popular albums from the past 15 to 20 years, a lot of them are neo. Hell, just look at the past polls over at DPRP and bands like IQ, Marillion and Pendragon are choking off the top 5 spots, with any one of these bands taking album of the year. Weak may be your opinion; however, conceptually failed is ludicrous. E
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E-Dub
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 00:21 |
rushfan4 wrote:
Sylvan - Posthumous Silence
Frost* - Experiments in Mass Appeal
Arena - Immortal?
Carptree - Man Made Machine
Collage - Moonshine
Dead Heroes Club - A Time of Shadow
Eureka - Shackleton's Voyage
Invisigoth - Alcoholocaust
Jadis - More Than Meets The Eye
Leap Day - Awaken The Muse
Little Atlas - Surface Serene
Pallas - XXV
RPWL - World Through My Eyes
Salem Hill - The Robbery of Murder
Satellite - A Street Between Sunrise and Sunset
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I guess Salem Hill would be neo, too. Robbery, Not Everybody's Gold and Mimi's Magic Moment are awesome. Add them in, too. E
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 00:22 |
E-Dub wrote:
ludicrous.
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So is 4 posts in a row, by the way
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E-Dub
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 00:23 |
JJLehto wrote:
Surprised there aren't more comments saying how neo prog is terrible but giving no real reason why.
Not sure what this genre really is but I've heard an album by that band Pendragon and it didn't seem too bad.
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Pure is one of the best prog albums to come out in a long time. Really blows me away still. E
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