Forum Home Forum Home > Other music related lounges > Tech Talk
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - New decade, end of the CD?
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Topic ClosedNew decade, end of the CD?

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 5051525354 57>
Author
Message
The T View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: October 16 2006
Location: FL, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 17493
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2011 at 12:49
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

On-topic:  I ordered a couple of CDs yesterday.

On-topic: My collection is (and will always be) still 99.5% cds, 0.5% mp3s or similar...

Back to Top
Catcher10 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP Member

Joined: December 23 2009
Location: Emerald City
Status: Offline
Points: 17845
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2011 at 13:01
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

On-topic:  I ordered a couple of CDs yesterday.

On-topic: My collection is (and will always be) still 99.5% cds, 0.5% mp3s or similar...

 
Back to topic......I purchased 4 LP's last Friday, no CD's.
Back to Top
Dean View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout

Joined: May 13 2007
Location: Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 37575
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2011 at 13:04
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

ref-Subs:
Its why I will not use one, everytime I audition one my ears get the sense that something is "off kilter", I feel like I am walking and leaning to one-side.....Plus I really don't care to shake the plaster off my walls. I have always been a 2-channel system person, to me that gives me the best audio reproduction on any source I am listening to.


Now for DVD viewing of movies I agree a sub is pretty cool to have available in a 5.1 setup.......But I guess to me a 2.1 audio system does not reproduce the source in the most natural state possible.



A real sub must be at least 38 cm diameter to do real extreme low

When a sub is well setted (and you have to re-set it everytime you change something in the system) you don't hear it, it's perfectly integrated into the whole by playing on two parameters: volume and freq cut.

A good well setted is not intended to shake the walls (even if it may, at times) but to provide the matter, the soundstage and even the extreme highs and the smoothness as well.

It's an alternative to bi amplification but it can added to bi amp as well. You can even use several identical subwoofers, each sub you add, the better it is as it divide the work by the numer of subs. Crazy installation but crazy result.
Of course if you really want to widen the soundstage you simply move your speakers further apart, using a subwoofer to create the illusion of moving them is a compromise, then moving the speakers too far will destroy the balanced stereo image that the record producer created, so again we have a compromise. This is one of the problems of using big systems in small spaces. Like José, I don't like subwoofers in the home environment (forcing subsonics is artifical and not something I think is necessary), though I have built several (sealed and ported) and have used them in ICE systems, but there they serve a different purpose.
What?
Back to Top
Padraic View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: February 16 2006
Location: Pennsylvania
Status: Offline
Points: 31169
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2011 at 13:04
Perhaps that's the ultimate fate of CDs:  to end up as much of a "niche" medium as vinyl.
Back to Top
oliverstoned View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: March 26 2004
Location: France
Status: Offline
Points: 6308
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2011 at 13:09
Clarity involves instrument separation, soundstage precision (qualities that Jean marie pointed out when he came) and transparency evoke details and micro details to me. My system has both qualities.

(good) Valves add nothing more to the signal than solidstate, it just subjectively reproduces low medium, mids, highs and extreme highs (the parts of the spectrum the ear is most sensitive to) much more naturally than solidstate.

Solidstate adds its own sound signature to the signal which can be described mainly as stiff and electronic.

Of course some solidstate sound more or less tube-like, but there's no comparison and it's often at the price of recessed highs.

BTW i can recommend these french hybrid integrated amps (only 2 entry tubes, a good compromise, even if doesn't sound as magic as a full-tube amp and not as punchy as a bi amp setup with good solidstate power amp).

Kora Explorer

http://www.kora.net/

And the power amps are much better




If you want good sound and have to have only one amp, it must be tube or hybrid in order to have great highs...and then you can add a sub for deep and powerful lows.


The subwoofer adds nothing, it just reproduces extreme lows freq that are not reproduced on other systems. It would mean as well that to add a super-tweeter to a system "adds" something to the signal and it's not
the case.




Back to Top
The T View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: October 16 2006
Location: FL, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 17493
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2011 at 13:18
One might like subwoofers or not but they do add something that other drivers can't reproduce and that the human ear can hear (or the body can feel). Super tweeters on the other hand can't be neither felt nor heard, so what's the purpose?
Back to Top
Dean View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout

Joined: May 13 2007
Location: Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 37575
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2011 at 13:19
Meh, I'm not a fan of hybrid amps - they're okay in guitar amps (the Marshal Valvestate for example), but there the valve is designed to be overdriven to produce soft clipping - not a feature you really want in a hi-fi amp.
What?
Back to Top
oliverstoned View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: March 26 2004
Location: France
Status: Offline
Points: 6308
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2011 at 13:20
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

BTW, there are huge differences from one record to another, proving how neutral the system is.




I don't understand this statement......All media is not recorded the same, CD, Vinyl....one record to another they are different, agree.

So if your system does not "color" the source and reproduces as "neutral" as possible, of course the two medias will sound different.

But how do you know what the source is suppose to sound like..naturally? So are you saying if the source is not neutral, your system will "make" it sound neutral??


I'm confused........forget itConfused


What i mean is that the differences from one record to another is huge: some sound extraodinary good, other are bad, it's extremey revealant and it can be a problem with the over compression trend. If there's something bad, it'll be heard but as for the (rare) real good ones...those who are natural and not bumped, like the one in my signature. So it can be a problem because it reveals how "trafficked" "rock" CDs are. Whereas a more coloured and less neutral system will make all records sound a little the same. That's something happening when you do a big upgrade on the system: this record will reveal its limits while another one will reveal how well balanced and musical it is.


Edited by oliverstoned - September 13 2011 at 13:22
Back to Top
oliverstoned View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: March 26 2004
Location: France
Status: Offline
Points: 6308
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2011 at 13:21
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Meh, I'm not a fan of hybrid amps - they're okay in guitar amps (the Marshal Valvestate for example), but there the valve is designed to be overdriven to produce soft clipping - not a feature you really want in a hi-fi amp.


What is to avoid is CD decks with tube outputs.
Back to Top
oliverstoned View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: March 26 2004
Location: France
Status: Offline
Points: 6308
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2011 at 13:24
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

One might like subwoofers or not but they do add something that other drivers can't reproduce and that the human ear can hear (or the body can feel). Super tweeters on the other hand can't be neither felt nor heard, so what's the purpose?


False, you underestimate human perception, that's what made engineers choose only a 16 bits resolution.
Back to Top
The T View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: October 16 2006
Location: FL, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 17493
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2011 at 13:52
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

One might like subwoofers or not but they do add something that other drivers can't reproduce and that the human ear can hear (or the body can feel). Super tweeters on the other hand can't be neither felt nor heard, so what's the purpose?


False, you underestimate human perception, that's what made engineers choose only a 16 bits resolution.
if we can hear only up to 20khz, what's the point of a device going well above that?
Back to Top
Dean View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout

Joined: May 13 2007
Location: Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 37575
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2011 at 15:37
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

One might like subwoofers or not but they do add something that other drivers can't reproduce and that the human ear can hear (or the body can feel). Super tweeters on the other hand can't be neither felt nor heard, so what's the purpose?


False, you underestimate human perception, that's what made engineers choose only a 16 bits resolution.
if we can hear only up to 20khz, what's the point of a device going well above that?
If there is a limitation in any system then there will always be someone who can "hear" that limitation (hereafter called "Dean's 2nd Law")
What?
Back to Top
Padraic View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: February 16 2006
Location: Pennsylvania
Status: Offline
Points: 31169
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2011 at 15:41
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

One might like subwoofers or not but they do add something that other drivers can't reproduce and that the human ear can hear (or the body can feel). Super tweeters on the other hand can't be neither felt nor heard, so what's the purpose?


False, you underestimate human perception, that's what made engineers choose only a 16 bits resolution.
if we can hear only up to 20khz, what's the point of a device going well above that?


What does this frequency limit have to do with quantization/dynamic range?
Back to Top
Dean View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout

Joined: May 13 2007
Location: Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 37575
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2011 at 17:21
What?
Back to Top
Slartibartfast View Drop Down
Collaborator
Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam

Joined: April 29 2006
Location: Atlantais
Status: Offline
Points: 29630
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2011 at 18:44
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

On-topic:  I ordered a couple of CDs yesterday.

On-topic: My collection is (and will always be) still 99.5% cds, 0.5% mp3s or similar...

 
Back to topic......I purchased 4 LP's last Friday, no CD's.

Oh yeah, well I preordered 5 CDs and no LPs even though LPs were an option for some of them. Tongue
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

Back to Top
Catcher10 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP Member

Joined: December 23 2009
Location: Emerald City
Status: Offline
Points: 17845
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2011 at 19:06
^ At least you bought some music.....that's the pointClap
Back to Top
oliverstoned View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: March 26 2004
Location: France
Status: Offline
Points: 6308
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2011 at 04:31
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

One might like subwoofers or not but they do add something that other drivers can't reproduce and that the human ear can hear (or the body can feel). Super tweeters on the other hand can't be neither felt nor heard, so what's the purpose?


False, you underestimate human perception, that's what made engineers choose only a 16 bits resolution.
if we can hear only up to 20khz, what's the point of a device going well above that?


It modifies the perception of the whole sepctrum and has an effect on extreme low, as sub does on extreme highs.
Back to Top
Dean View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout

Joined: May 13 2007
Location: Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 37575
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2011 at 05:01
Keep going, I'm all ears...
What?
Back to Top
oliverstoned View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: March 26 2004
Location: France
Status: Offline
Points: 6308
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2011 at 05:05
Remove your fingers first
Back to Top
Dean View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout

Joined: May 13 2007
Location: Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 37575
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2011 at 05:33
That "joke" grew very old very quickly.
 
So, please explain how and why a supertweeter should/could/does alter our perception of the whole audio spectrum - I interested in hearing your answer.
What?
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 5051525354 57>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.195 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.